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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
[edit]Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
[edit]- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
[edit]You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
[edit]However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
[edit]Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
[edit]- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
[edit]STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
If this page has been recently modified, it may not reflect the most recent changes. Please purge this page to view the most recent changes. |
Current list
[edit]Martha Atwater
[edit]This is a TV writer and producer who worked on this show along with others (e.g., Horrible Histories, Arthur, Clifford the Big Red Dog), and was killed in a hit-and-run accident in 2013 as a Google search can attest. She may have won an Emmy award for her writing on WorldWorld in 2009, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to redirect her name to that show (don't get me wrong, it was part of my and my sister's childhood, but I'm not sure Atwater's work on it would warrant a redirect to that specific page), since it might mislead readers looking for information on her, especially since she isn't mentioned on the target article unlike those of or relating to the other three shows I mentioned. I'm thinking we should delete this redirect to encourage article creation if plausible, but I'm open to being swayed otherwise. Regards, SONIC678 04:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Pentinat
[edit]- Pentinat → Josep-Lluís Carod-Rovira (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I (creator) honestly don’t have a clue what this redirect is supposed to mean. Roasted (talk) 04:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Speedy delete per WP:G7.A7V2 (talk) 05:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)- Alternatively, potentially Roastedbeanz1 you meant to target this to Josep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat? A7V2 (talk) 05:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- You’re right Roasted (talk) 05:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- In that case I'd say retarget there unless there's an ambiguity issue. A7V2 (talk) 05:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- You’re right Roasted (talk) 05:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alternatively, potentially Roastedbeanz1 you meant to target this to Josep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat? A7V2 (talk) 05:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Over by over
[edit]- Over by over → Liveblogging (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Suggest deletion unless a sourced use can be added to target or elsewhere enwiki Mdewman6 (talk) 00:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for no good target. Every hit is related to cricket (directly or by metaphor) not blogging (although google does reveal some live blogging of cricket) but none of them would make a good target for this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The Guardian live blogs of cricket are all called 'over by over' [1]. So are those from Sky Sports, and formerly The Times. While that might not be sufficiently notable to justify a standalone article, or an statement in liveblogging, it's still sufficiently common to justify a redirect. There are dozens of sports articles per yet that use this name. I'm open to better targets if one exists, but a redirect of some kind should definitely be retained. Modest Genius talk 04:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Disinformation report
[edit]- Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Disinformation report → User:Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist/sandbox/Draft:Disinformation report (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I understand that this is a redirect left over from a page move, but I think that the intent may have been to not perpetually leave this as a redirect. This is a borderline G6, but I wanted to raise it here in case I've misunderstood the cause for the move. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - the redirect is linked from other talk pages, including archives, so should be kept or otherwise the navigation is lost. Raladic (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
ICOP
[edit]- ICOP → I.CO.P. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Icop → I.CO.P. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
At least the former redirect was initially a redirect to United States Postal Inspection Service#Internet Covert Operations Program. I'm not sure if any of these meanings is primary (and there are some passing mentions of other meanings on the English Wikipedia, though it doesn't look like most of them are worth a mention in the case of a disambiguation). 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. I'm not seeing any evidence of a primary topic, and in addition to the above at least International Conference on Permafrost and a link to wikt:ICOP should go on the disambiguation page. Islamic Crescents' Observation Project seems notable enough for a mention, but there isn't a single obvious (to me) target at the moment. No opinion at the moment about whether anything else rises to the level of dabmention. Thryduulf (talk) 20:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- International Conference on Plasma Science (ICOPS) would probably merit a see also if it becomes a blue link. Thryduulf (talk) 20:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Scripps National Spelling Bee 2013
[edit]- Scripps National Spelling Bee 2013 → 86th Scripps National Spelling Bee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is the only article with a redirect formatted as [Title {xxxx}]. Seems unneeded. Roasted (talk) 15:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This was the Scripps National Spelling Bee held in 2013, so it's a very plausible and unambiguous search term. Thryduulf (talk) 17:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf and WP:CHEAP. Just because it's the only redirect with that format doesn't mean it's unneeded, especially since it's accurate just like 2013 Scripps National Spelling Bee. It's also occasionally helpful just like the other one I mentioned. Regards, SONIC678 19:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf and Sonic678. "Unneeded" is not a reason to delete a redirect. A7V2 (talk) 05:14, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Sundararaja Perumal Temple, Salem
[edit]- Sundararaja Perumal Temple, Salem → Alagirinathar Temple (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No references in Alagirinathar Temple call it as Sundararaja Perumal Temple, Salem. It is WP:OR. Redtigerxyz Talk 15:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:Politician
[edit]- Template:Politician → User:Einahr/Politician in the Philippines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
More likely to refer to Template:Infobox officeholder (Template:Infobox politician). Currently transcluded once in userspace. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Template:Infobox officeholder — as per nom. Roasted (talk) 15:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom (after substing or otherwsie adjusting the current use so it appears as the user intended). Thryduulf (talk) 17:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:AnonymousEditor95/Userboxes/SMART
[edit]- Template:AnonymousEditor95/Userboxes/SMART → User:AnonymousEditor95/Userboxes/SMART (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be created in error looking at the page history, and I'm not sure these kinds of redirects are warranted. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- While an error is certainly possible here, the edit summaries and actions don't seem to correlate. I'd like to head from AnonymousEditor95 before any action is taken here, so don't speedy delete (under G6). Thryduulf (talk) 17:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- AnonymousEditor95 fixing the ping. Thryduulf (talk) 17:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Liveperiodly
[edit]- Liveperiodly → Live.ly (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Live period ly → Live.ly (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Livedotly → Live.ly (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Live dot ly → Live.ly (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nonsensical redirect title. There is no precedent for such a thing, and as a title it isn't going to be helpful to anyone searching, wanting to find the target article. Bungle (talk • contribs) 12:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- 'Delere. These constitute "a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- ApostropheapostropheapostropheDeleteapostropheapostropheapostrophe per above. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. While "Livedotly" does get a couple of uses that are (probably) independent of Wikipedia, there are not enough to demonstrate this is a name used for the target (and I'm not certain one of those uses is referring to the same subject), there is even less for the others. Thryduulf (talk) 18:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete everything except “livedotly”. rest seem implausible. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. I see where the creator is coming from but these redirects are just implausible. --Lenticel (talk) 00:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:Jat communities
[edit]- Template:Jat communities → User:This (Non Human)#Warraich Class (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A pointless redirect from template space to user space (!), created by a sock. And yet I can't seem to find a speedy rationale, as it was created before the sock was blocked. Bishonen | tålk 08:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Light Beams
[edit]- Light Beams → Justin Moyer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unclear target. Currently, it has "two" targets for redirect, the "main" one, Justin Moyer, who has a band with this name, and another link below it to Blue Lips (which was just moved to Blue Lips (Tove Lo album), as "Light Beams" is a song on the Blue Lips album. Need to decide which target (or neither, maybe a dab page) is correct. Natg 19 (talk) 06:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Convert to disambiguation page as drafted. I think it's unlikely there's a primary topic, plus there's Light beam. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per above. I know this has no reason to be on such a disambiguation page, but ... seeing this phrase makes me want to play the Quick Man stage of the original Mega Man video game. Steel1943 (talk) 17:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per Shhhnotsoloud. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
FZDO
[edit]Not mentioned at target; List of airports in the Democratic Republic of the Congo lists this as the code for the apparently unrelated and currently redlinked Moanza Airport. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of airports in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Not listed at List of airports by ICAO code: F. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the main article there is a redlink, I suggest deletion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or delete per above. Google results make it clear that there is exactly two potentially encyclopaedic uses of this series of letters, Moanza Airport (occasionally spelled "Moanda" or "Muanda") and the Faculty of Correspondence and Distance Learning at Chelyabinsk State University. The airport is by far the primary topic and we don't have any content about the university faculty anyway. I can see arguments both ways for retargetting and deletion and don't immediately have a preference between them. Thryduulf (talk) 18:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDLINK --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Sinicized Southeast Asia
[edit]- Sinicized Southeast Asia → Vietnam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Similar to #Hispanized Southeast Asia that I just relisted. It's used in an academic source, but doesn't seem to have caught on. I also doubt that this is referring to the modern country, as the source is historical in nature (through c. 1830). -- Tavix (talk) 00:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Hispanized Southeast Asia
[edit]- Hispanized Southeast Asia → Philippines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
To me this seems like an implausible search term for the Philippines. ★Trekker (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- See also Sinicized Southeast Asia. Mentioned in https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/abs/local-integration-and-eurasian-analogies-structuring-southeast-asian-history-c-1350c-1830/041F3B980324C778E2771719BC85C326. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have never heard that term in my life and it's overly complicated. I did Southeast Asian studies in university; that source is on regional history 1350-1830. Fetch isn't gonna happen, surely. Jondvdsn1 (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Either retarget to Spanish East Indies, or delete. CMD (talk) 09:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the proposed target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 18:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: relisting so it's next to a fresh nomination for Sinicized Southeast Asia that was brought up in this discussion
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 00:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning delete. It doesn't seem like the phrase has caught on. I also doubt this would be referring to the modern country, as the source mentioned above is historical in nature (through c. 1830). -- Tavix (talk) 00:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Southern Arena Stadium
[edit]- Southern Arena Stadium → Bo Stadium (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
alternate name not mentioned in target article -1ctinus📝🗨 23:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - this appears to be a totally different stadium also in Bo, Sierra Leone. "Southern Arena Stadium" opened last year according to what I can find ([2], [3], no idea how reliable these sources are). I suppose it's possible that the new stadium was actually a rebuild of the older one but I'm not sure. A7V2 (talk) 05:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Order of vanishing
[edit]- Order of vanishing → Zeros and poles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Multiplicity of a root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Multiple root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Simple root → Polynomial#Solving polynomial equations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Simple root (polynomial) → Polynomial#Solving polynomial equations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Simple zero → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Double root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Double roots → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Repeated root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Repeated roots → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I feel like there should be some consistency in these redirects, and it's not immediately obvious to me how. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- They could all go to Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial, with the addition of a sentence or so to cover order of vanishing. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- BTW, Simple pole and Order of a pole (the latter created recently by me) also point at Zeros and poles; not sure if the multiplicity article would be more relevant here as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot comment on all of the items above. I agree for one item: Repeated root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial. Taweetham (talk) 23:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just notified of this discussion at Talk:Multiplicity (mathematics) for the 10 other redirects. Jay 💬 14:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We should get more opinions on such a large, bundled nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Thailand Under-19 cricket team
[edit]- Thailand Under-19 cricket team → Cricket Association of Thailand (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Cremastra (talk) 16:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment We do have Thailand women's national under-19 cricket team. Geschichte (talk) 09:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If we had a substantive article, it would not be at this badly-capitalized title. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Housing s at Saint Joseph's University
[edit]- Housing s at Saint Joseph's University → Saint Joseph's University (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Created in error; this was the page title for less than a minute. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Burglary (history)
[edit]- Burglary (history) → Burglary#Historical definition (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete an orphaned redirect with the title of an unlikely search term. Cyber the tiger (talk) 18:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this appears to be a {{R from merge}} and is at a plausible search term for someone wanting to learn about the history of burglary. Thryduulf (talk) 18:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Death of Maumoon Abdul Gayoom
[edit]- Death of Maumoon Abdul Gayoom → Maumoon Abdul Gayoom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Death and state funeral of Maumoon Abdul Gayoom → Maumoon Abdul Gayoom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I am unable to find news about the guy's death. WP:TOOSOON, in my opinion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 18:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a potential WP:HOAX. Steel1943 (talk) 21:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't really understand the reasoning for creating this but it is actively misleading. -- Whpq (talk) 11:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both as WP:HOAXes until his death and/or funeral actually occur. We don't need to mislead people into thinking others are alive or dead with these kinds of redirects. Regards, SONIC678 15:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
FC Djursholm
[edit]Better with redlink. Weird redirect. Jonteemil (talk) 18:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not mentioned and so not helpful. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Starmergeddon
[edit]- Starmergeddon → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Term no longer present in target article. A sentence about it (Former prime minister Boris Johnson campaigned for the Conservatives and warned against giving Starmer a large majority (which he referred to as "Starmergeddon", a term he also used in the Daily Mail).
) was added by the redirect creator when they created this redirect on 3 July; that sentence was trimmed down to remove the word an hour later. The redirect creator has also since been blocked for block evasion. Belbury (talk) 17:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Tropical Depression Crising (2021)
[edit]- Tropical Depression Crising (2021) → Tropical Depression 03W (2021) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I noticed that 03W and Crising are same redirects. However, Crising is only Philippine name from PAG-ASA, it seems that the redirect article "Tropical Depression Crising (2021)" should be delete as no longer cheap redirects, altough they are same designation but different classification from PAG-ASA and JTWC. So, only "03W (2021)" will retain for main redirect page. Icarus58 (talk) 15:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per nom. Nom claims that the titles of the redirect and its target have referred to the same topic at some point. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just realized that ... the nominated redirect is a double redirect. Its current target, Tropical Depression 03W (2021), is a redirect towards 2021 Pacific typhoon season#Tropical Depression 03W (Crising). In other words, when I wrote "keep", I meant "retarget to 2021 Pacific typhoon season#Tropical Depression 03W (Crising)". Steel1943 (talk) 20:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Natoinal Kick a Ginger Day
[edit]- Natoinal Kick a Ginger Day → Red hair#Modern-day discrimination (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This should have the same outcome as #Natoinal kick a ginger day. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Far-right riots
[edit]- Far-right riots → 2024 United Kingdom riots (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wayyyy too vague for a redirect. There have been many far-right riots in history, such as the one in Charlottesville in 2017. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 20:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget I cannot seem to find any page or section specifically about far-right rioting, the closest being the page on rioting. There is also Right-wing terrorism (which some of the UK riots has been described as by some people) and List of ethnic riots, but not all far-right rioting might be described as such. Xeroctic (talk) 20:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate if there are indeed more topics that cover far-right riots. CNC (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget - I think a few good sources to avoid WP:SYNTH would justify a paragraph/couple sentences at Riot#Classification as a type of 'political riot'. Tule-hog (talk) 23:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- It seems the 'index' of riots is largely subsumed in the index found at Protest. Tule-hog (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig or retarget. I don't know what the best target for this highly plausible search term is, but it isn't one specific riot or set of riots so the current target is wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 19:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about Far-right terrorism as a redirect? -1ctinus📝🗨 13:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Far-right terrorism redirects to Right-wing terrorism so it's a good {{R from subtopic}}, however I don't see the connection to this discussion about Far-right riots? Most riots are not terrorism and most terrorism's only connection to rioting is tangential. Thryduulf (talk) 16:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about Far-right terrorism as a redirect? -1ctinus📝🗨 13:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Ǎs
[edit]I don't have any idea why this redirects here; the Latin "as" has no diacritic. asilvering (talk) 07:58, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. My only guess (and it's a wild one) is that this string has been used as the pronunciation respelling of the subject somewhere? According to Portuguese Wiktionary, this is a word in the Basaa language meaning "milk" or "mind", but that's the only thing I can find. Awkward42 (talk) [the alternate account of Thryduulf (talk)] 12:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this implausible redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's sort of an easier to typeset version of a breve. Sometimes a with caron is easier to type than with breve and may be used in place of it. Self-described Sophist (talk) 03:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Latin doesn't use breves or carons, and it would be difficult for anyone to search with one even if it were plausible that someone might want to—which it's not. P Aculeius (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree it's unlikely anyone would want to search for this topic with a breve or caron, but if they did then doing so is not necessarily difficult - for example anyone using a compose key with the default linux sequences can produce Ǎ with the sequence ComposecA and Ă with ComposebA. Thryduulf (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- But what percentage of readers know how to do that? It's not even a universal command. In some operating systems, there's no shortcut for inserting a caron or a breve, unless you create one. But as far as I know, the only place you'll ever find 'as' with a breve is in a Latin grammar or dictionary; only student texts and dictionaries will use macrons or breves, and most of them use only macrons. I've never seen carons used in place of breves, since they're equally hard to type. P Aculeius (talk) 20:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter what proportion of readers know how to do this, what matters is that some do (for example speakers of languages that include these characters will be familiar with how to enter them). They can also be copied and pasted, or links followed from elsewhere. This just means that titles with diacritics are not implausible by virtue of having diacritics - this title is implausible because there is no connection with the subject but e.g. Pască with the same diacritic is plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 01:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- But what percentage of readers know how to do that? It's not even a universal command. In some operating systems, there's no shortcut for inserting a caron or a breve, unless you create one. But as far as I know, the only place you'll ever find 'as' with a breve is in a Latin grammar or dictionary; only student texts and dictionaries will use macrons or breves, and most of them use only macrons. I've never seen carons used in place of breves, since they're equally hard to type. P Aculeius (talk) 20:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree it's unlikely anyone would want to search for this topic with a breve or caron, but if they did then doing so is not necessarily difficult - for example anyone using a compose key with the default linux sequences can produce Ǎ with the sequence ComposecA and Ă with ComposebA. Thryduulf (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Event Pokemon
[edit]- Event Pokemon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
uh... retarget to gameplay of pokémon#distributions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Sounds more like promo cards in the Pokémon card game. Steel1943 (talk) 00:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Steel1943. --Un assiolo (talk) 12:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gameplay of Pokémon#Distributions - this is how they are generally referred to by the community. (Oinkers42) (talk) 20:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the suggested target makes no mention of "Event Pokemon". Utopes (talk / cont) 05:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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San Francisco Bay Intl
[edit]- San Francisco Bay Intl → San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I know this is kind of silly but with the name change should this redirect point to San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport or San Francisco International Airport? Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as the name containing "Bay". Hyphenation Expert (talk) 17:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah that was kind of what I leaning towards but I figured I bring it here just to be on the safe side. Dr vulpes (Talk) 06:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- If it's ambiguöus then shouldn't it probably be set to point to a disambiguation page? Self-described Sophist (talk) 03:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There's a distinguishing hatnote to resolve any confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Case insensitiv
[edit]- Case insensitiv → Case sensitivity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Case sensitiv → Case sensitivity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Case-sensitiv → Case sensitivity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Case-insensitiv → Case sensitivity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible/trivial (WP:UNNATURAL) last letter omissions; sensitiv or insensitiv do not exist, so a search for "insensitiv" will currently only show one of these redirects as the single result rather than applying an automated correction and displaying all relevant content. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. They're not unnatural or implausible - they're German. Either way, no reason to keep these redirects. -- asilvering (talk) 08:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've never heard this kind of partial anglicism in German. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. These clutter the Search bar making Case insensitivity harder to find. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Unimproved
[edit]- Unimproved → Road surface (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unimproved road redirects to Dirt road. That said, there are other topics like Unimproved water source or Unimproved sanitation using this word. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as very vague. I can imagine how this might have been created instead of a piped link. I don't think "unimproved" alone is a useful search term, but I wouldn't be overly opposed to some kind of disambiguation. A7V2 (talk) 06:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Reminds me of the situation with Affordable (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 27#Affordable). Steel1943 (talk) 14:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as too vague. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 19:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: a general-purpose adjective. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Anthony Walsh (weed)
[edit]- Anthony Walsh (weed) → Anthony Walsh (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Anthony Walsh (dagga) → Anthony Walsh (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Anthony Walsh (ganja) → Anthony Walsh (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
As noted at Special:PermanentLink/1246780142#Redirects gone amok, these are implausible redirects and not the kind of disambiguations a reader would reasonably expect for a Wikipedia article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Cremastra (talk) 19:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Street Gangs
[edit]- Street Gangs → River City Ransom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Extremely ambiguous. Roasted (talk) 01:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is a hatnote, which perhaps could be improved slightly to reflect the specific target of street gang (which is Gang#Street). I think WP:DIFFCAPS is enough here to keep, unless there is something else I'm missing? A7V2 (talk) 06:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:DIFFCAPS. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Smooth variety
[edit]- Smooth variety → Smooth scheme (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Smooth algebraic variety → Singular point of an algebraic variety (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should be consistent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think both should redirect to "smooth scheme" since that article discusses the topic in more depth with more examples. —- Taku (talk) 04:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both for the moment. Not all readers interested in algebraic geometry are specialists of scheme theory. So, per WP:ASTONISH, the subject must be linked to an article where it is explained in classical terms, and, nevertheless, readers interested in schemes must find an article convenient for them. I wrote "for the moment" because the subject is very poorly described in Wikipedia, and the redirect problem can be correctly resolved only if the articles would be well rewritten.
An example of the poor content of both articles is the fact that none of the articles is clearly linked to Regular ring and none states the fundmental fact that an affine algebraic variety is smooth if and only if its ring of regular functions is regular, or, more generally, that the spectrum of a Noetherian ring is smooth if and only if the ring is regular. D.Lazard (talk) 08:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- I agree the topic is poorly covered. Since "smooth variety" is essentially a shortening of "smooth algebraic variety", I suggest that both should probably point at Singular point of an algebraic variety. I've added a sentence to the lead of that article that refers the reader to the more general concept. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Darklighter
[edit]- Darklighter → Garrick Hagon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Has some contention over the target of this redirect - whether to redirect to the fictional concept in Charmed (TV series) or one of the Star Wars characters (Biggs Darklighter or apparently his actor). I just moved some history to Darklighter (Charmed) which has some links. No strong opinion on final outcome. Izno (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Biggs Darklighter should lead to List of Star Wars characters#Biggs Darklighter ;; there also being Gavin Darklighter , Empire Volume 2: Darklighter ;; SEEALSO ;; a see also for ;: Dark Light (disambiguation) ;; there also being "dark lighting" or Low-key lighting ;; there also being a "dark highlighter" in makeup ;; there also being dark lightning -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Natoinal kick a ginger day
[edit]- Natoinal kick a ginger day → Red hair#Modern-day discrimination (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible typo. No incoming links. One view in 3 months according to pageviewws. Reconrabbit 18:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep per WP:CHEAP. Cremastra (talk) 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment adjacent character transpositions are a very likely form of typo. The target mentions "National Kick a Ginger Day" and the redirects National Kick a Ginger Day and national kick a ginger day exist -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:COSTLY. Regardless if the correct spelling of "national" makes this phrase a likely search term, typing one word wrong then typing 4 other words correctly is incredibly unlikely. Steel1943 (talk) 23:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. "National" is not a hard word to spell. It speaks volumes that this is the only use of "natoinal" on Wikipedia, redirects included, for the thousands of pages that have the word "national" in its name. Otherwise not useful or likely, definitely not pleasant. The creator is since blocked. We can have some dignity with what we maintain here. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Looks like a demonstrably plausible typo to me. Stats show 10 hits this past year... which is only slightly less than the number of hits to the no-caps but otherwise no-typo National kick a ginger day (12 hits), and ironically even more than the 9 hits this year for the properly capitalized National Kick a Ginger Day. As a specific reply to Steel1943 above, we typically consider a single typo more likely than multiple typos. Saying "typing one word wrong then typing 4 other words correctly is incredibly unlikely" is diametrically opposite to how we usually do things around here... would you have !voted to keep "natoinal kikc a gigner dya", with a transposition typo in every word? I don't think you would have, and I certainly wouldn't either... more typos are LESS likely than single typos. Fieari (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sure Steel agrees that redirects with single typos are more likely than those with multiple typos. Separate from that though, we need to think about the benefit of "typo" redirects as a whole. As a community, we've been missing mark here, fmpov. Not every typo needs a redirect. Just because there's a de facto benchmark indicating "2+ errors is implausible", doesn't make every title with 1 error realistic. That's still HUNDREDS of "one-error" typos per title, between character transpositions, to swapping a "l" with a "k" and every neighboring letter forever, etc.
- Perhaps counter-intuitively, the longer the search term, the less likely it would benefit from any given typo redirect. We see these a lot actually, one example being Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 13#Dream haorders. There was no mention of a "haorder" typo anywhere on Wikipedia, despite Hoarder existing, and a plethora of other mentions of "hoard" and "hoarding", yet none with this transformed spelling. There's really just one way to misspell "Hoard", and that's "Haord" (or Hord, I suppose, but that's a different page). But for "Hoard", there's only like 3 possible letter swaps one could make in a short subject. It's a small and acceptable price to pay, = EZ maintenance.
- However, if someone were to create equivalent typo redirects for, say, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, i.e. Haord of the Dragon Queen, Horad of the Dragon Queen, Hoard of the Dargon Queen, well, this is a massive technical debt. Especially when zero of these words are "difficult words to spell" anyway. We can't and shouldn't be maintaining any dreamable transmogrification of a full set of words in an already long title... and then do the same thing for 7 million pages in article space.
- The "2+ typos rule" is quite good for immediate problem detection, but it's not the whole story. I've (personally) !kept titles with more than 2 typos, and !deleted ones with less. It's about expected usefulness-impact and precedent. Euphemism is a difficult word. Euphinism swaps the e for an i, and the m for an n, yet I honestly wouldn't bat an eye at either used in a sentence. Maybe good redirect? Positive value, probs. But if we're dealing with something like Griffin Science-Fantasy Bokolet Number One... like... no reasonable person would ever type everything verbatim, swap in "bokolet" instead of "booklet", and then finish the term. If such a title is considered reasonable, get ready to add Bokolet redirects for the thousands of pages that contain "booklet"; it's not value, in fact it's closer to negative value due to the precedent. Especially so that "Bokolet" or Bokoworm or Bokobinding haven't ever, and never will exist, and it's even less likely in a long title assuming everything else is correct. And even these are reminiscent of when we saw the set of Mnecraft titles get deleted @ Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 24#Inecraft and etc., the creator disrupting NPP to prove a point after Minecrat got deleted here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 12#Minecrat. One error does not = good typo, even if it's a letter-drop or letter-swap.
- "National kick a ginger day" has zero affinity towards being spelled as "natoinal", and definitely less than every other page that uses the word "national" and never fathomed to have a "natoinal" variant. So people who type "Natoinal", click the tab key, will be greeted with a page about kicking gingers, even though they only typed 8 letters and none of them had anything to do with red hair. Nothing for Natoinal, Natoin, Ratoinal, Ratoin, Elatoin, etc. In fact I don't think there's a single page on Wikipedia that misspells a "tion" ending as "toin". (Testing: Per this quarry: [4], there are zero pages on Wikipedia which misspell a word containing "tion", as "toin". Just the "Natoinal Gingers" set on page 2.) Anyway this was more than I expected to type lol. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)- Delete as implausible, per Utopes. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- To elaborate, entering "natoinal" in the search box will currently show this redirect, along with Natoinal Kick a Ginger Day, which for some reason had not been nominated thus far, as the only search results, instead of applying the automatic corrections of MediaWiki's search engine. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Phronima atlantica
[edit]It is inappropriate to have a species name as a redirect to higher ones such as a genus. It creates the impression that a page exists and makes it impossible to use template:species list as it will create a circular redirect back to the genus page. There is no history to be preserved in this redirect so it should be a redlink until such time as an editor decides to create a page for the species. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 00:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A7V2 (talk) 06:35, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Second Person Shooter Zato
[edit]- Second Person Shooter Zato → First-person shooter#Recent innovations: 2006 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a redirect to a now deleted piece of content from this article, also "Second Person Shooter Zato" isn't even mentioned at all in the article as of now. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
OB(oligonucleotide/oligosaccharide binding)-fold
[edit]- OB(oligonucleotide/oligosaccharide binding)-fold → OB-fold (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
probably won’t be typed — Karnataka 19:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- note that I haven’t CSD’d this because I have a pending RMTR to move the article from Wikipedia namespace to mainspace — Karnataka 19:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Related comment: I just updated the redirect's target from Wikipedia:OB-fold to OB-fold (as well as updated this discussion to show the redirect targets OB-fold instead of Wikipedia:OB-fold) to avoid an erroneous WP:G8 speedy deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
not per nomsince redirect length is not an issue in cases such as these, but since the purpose of the words in parentheses is apparently to define what "OB" means, which is essentially stating/typing the same thing twice. However, on that note, I can see the plausibility of redirects such as Oligonucleotide/oligosaccharide binding-fold or (oligonucleotide/oligosaccharide binding)-fold targeting the target, but am choosing not to create them myself. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- Also, it seems the redirect's creator originally created an article at this title, but then shortly after performed a WP:CUTPASTE move to change the article's title: That content is currently at OB-fold, the target of this nominated redirect. For this reason, I do not see the edit history of the nominated redirect as needing to be retained. (However, if this redirect is kept, there should probably be a history merge to OB-fold to ensure edit history is not on both pages.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- The nominated title might be an error, but it's not unambiguous enough for me to speedy delete it under G6. Thryduulf (talk) 20:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- sorry what I meant by "won't be typed" was that not many would type OB and then expand on it in brackets to search it, not that it is lengthy — Karnataka 05:35, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I misread. (Was in a bit of a hurry in that moment.) Striking out part of my comment. Steel1943 (talk) 14:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also, it seems the redirect's creator originally created an article at this title, but then shortly after performed a WP:CUTPASTE move to change the article's title: That content is currently at OB-fold, the target of this nominated redirect. For this reason, I do not see the edit history of the nominated redirect as needing to be retained. (However, if this redirect is kept, there should probably be a history merge to OB-fold to ensure edit history is not on both pages.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Brave, the Movie
[edit]- Brave, the Movie → Brave (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brave The Movie (Movie) → Brave (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirects were the result of moving the page about the 1994 film to the title Brave (film) (which was later redirected to the current target's "Film and television" section)—the first redirect to the second and the second to the "(film)" title. These redirects haven't gotten very many pageviews nowadays, so I'm not 100% sure they're really helpful here. I think we should either delete them, or, if they're kept, refine them to Brave#Film and television, though I'm open to other courses of action if they're suitable. Regards, SONIC678 19:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. In 2005, the rule was that a redirect resulting from a page move had to be kept, even if it wasn't particularly useful or logical, for WP:GFDL attribution reasons. That's no longer the rule anymore, and such redirects don't need to be kept anymore if they aren't actually serving an important purpose, which this isn't. Bearcat (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep/refine Brave, the Movie per WP:RFD#K4 (certainly no benefit comes from deleting this page which is the result of a page move as Brave (1994 film) appears to have had this title for nearly 1.5 years), but also it seems a plausible search term, and indeed has been used by reliable sources for at least the 2012 film, for example [5]. Neutral, leaning delete, on Brave The Movie (Movie) as it is very awkward and inlausible, but also it's not clear to me that this one was created as a result of a page move as it doesn't appear in the edit history of Brave (1994 film). A7V2 (talk) 06:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Aero blue
[edit]- Aero blue → Shades of cyan#Aero blue (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no mention of Aero blue in the target page. ... discospinster talk 16:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- It existed when the redirect was created (see [6]), though it was un-cited and a fairly poor description, and the also see seems to point to a fairly different color, so it's not surprising if someone deleted that section (and forgot to look for redirects to it) in the intervening 11 years. :) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- That version linked to Air Force blue, which also does not mention "Aero blue" currently. Plus it's azure, not cyan! So changing the redirect won't help. ... discospinster talk 20:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
NURALIZA oSMAN
[edit]- NURALIZA oSMAN → Nuraliza Osman (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Created in error and moved shortly after; we don't need WP:UNNATURAL redirects from titles entered with caps lock activated. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:Cita
[edit]- Template:Cita → Template:Blockquote (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This was presumably created for es:Template:Cita, the Spanish Wikipedia's Template:Blockquote equivalent. However, it is also inappropriately used sometimes for it:Template:Cita, which is a citation template. Both of these foreign templates use unnamed parameters, so the difference isn't always noticed. I would suggest that English editors will be confused by this name and not sure what it means. I'm not opposed to foreign-language template redirects in general, but when they are ambiguous, I think they should certainly be removed. Daask (talk) 13:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as template disambiguation page. If we delete it, people who copy wikitext for translation from es.WP or it.WP will end up populating Wikipedia:Database reports/Transclusions of non-existent templates, which is undesirable. Let's make it a template disambiguation page that points to {{blockquote}} and {{sfn}}, or whatever the best en.WP matches are. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If
people who copy wikitext for translation from es.WP or it.WP
use a template that is ambiguous between those, it is undesirable. I'm not sure there is a big difference between making it transclude a nonexistent and a disambiguated template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If
- Delete as vague. (However, this redirect has transclusions that need to be bypassed prior to deletion.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:Test0
[edit]- Template:Test0 → Template:Uw-vandalism1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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- Template:Test7 → Template:Uw-voablock (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Test1a → Template:Uw-delete1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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This "set" of templates redirects to 6 different user warning templates. These should all redirect to the same set, or be deleted. Current setup is unhelpful. Gonnym (talk) 08:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- The "test1a", "test2a" series of warnings was made to customize a message to people who tested in article space by randomly deleting portions of text rather than inserting random words so having the redirect to a separate set of uw-templates was a deliberate choice. While widely used then, I believe the newer templates have become firmly entrenched by the RecentChanges patrol. I have no problem with deprecating or deleting these if they have fallen into disuse. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters
[edit]- List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of charaters in grand theft auto advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of charaters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of characters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such list or section at target. However, Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters does exist, but it does not contain a list of characters. (List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore redirected article [7] until and unless a valid AFD of the article is done (rather than a unilateral undiscussed and unproposed redirect). Softlavender (talk) 02:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore without prejudice per Softlavender and WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging Czar since they WP:BLARed List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters in 2015 [8]. Steel1943 (talk) 12:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retain. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a perfectly valid target and alternative to deletion for character lists that are clearly without sourcing for independent notability. The plot section covers everything the reader needs to know about these characters. Sending this unsourced "list" to AfD is needless process unless you think deletion is a better outcome than redirection here. If the "list" title is the issue, then rename as "Characters of Grand Theft Auto Advance" but you'd still have the old title pointing to that redirect. czar 13:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll add that many, many "Lists of GameTitle characters" articles redirect to their parent articles' Plot sections same as this does. It's a common redirection because these character lists are just as commonly created, almost always without regard to sourcing. czar 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restore article? Or simply refine to the "Settings and characters" section of the current target?
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- Delete There is no way that the original LoC would survive AFD, and the game itself is only 10ish hours, so even a (new) character section as redirect target seems overkill. – sgeureka t•c 09:07, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retain per Czar. Softlavender and Thryduulf suggest restoring and sending to AFD for procedural reasons. as Sgeureka recognizes, this will surely fail to be retained at AFD, which as Czar correctly points out, will likely lead to a redirect. I see no reason to go through that process. Thryduulf points to WP:BLAR, but I see nothing there requiring us to restore it or go through AFD, since no one appears to be arguing for the article to restored.
I'm confused by Steel1943 and Sgeureka's insistence that the redirect target be an actual list. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a fine target without any modifications. We can and routinely do redirect list titles to articles which discuss the list subject but aren't lists. Daask (talk) 14:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station
[edit]- Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station → Runswick Lifeboat Station (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The lifeboat at Runswick was always Runswick Lifeboat. It was never Runswick Bay Lifeboat. All information previously contained in Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station has been relocated. I would like the page Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station to be deleted, as it is of no further use, and I believe all links have now been directed to Runswick Lifeboat Station. Ojsyork (talk) 19:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Argument for deletion is sound in my view. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a {{R from move}} the article was at this title from 2019 until about 3 weeks ago. There are also multiple sources describing the lifeboat as being at Runswick Bay, including RNLI (the article uses both "Runswick" and "Runswick Bay"), Tees Valley Museums, Art UK and The Nothern Echo. Thryduulf (talk) 01:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I understand that the article was created in error at "Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station", and now has been correctly moved to "Runswick Lifeboat Station". But, looking at the redirect afresh, its target is a page about a Lifeboat station in the village of Runswick Bay, and as such I think the redirect is acceptable. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment/Delete I took some time researching the name of the lifeboat station before renaming the page. All images show 'Runswick Lifeboat' written on the boat, never 'Runswick Bay Lifeboat'. I also referred to old maps, and the village too was always Runswick. Even when the Runswick lifeboat station was closed in 1978, and Staithes reopened, the new station took the name 'Staithes and Runswick' Lifeboat, NOT Staithes and Runswick Bay Lifeboat. The only OLD reference in the area to 'Runswick Bay', was to the Runswick Bay Hotel.
BUT - it is the case that the village seems to be morphing from Runswick to Runswick Bay. Indeed, the remaining non-RNLI content of the 'Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station' page from which I have split content, has gone to 'Runswick Bay Rescue Boat'. If the place is called Runswick Bay from now on, then it's not my place to argue. The village page on Wikipedia is 'Runswick Bay', but contains a comment that some of the older village signs still say Runswick.
It is interesting that some of the reasons for KEEP, above, may be as a direct result of an incorrect Wikipedia page. My reason for deletion of 'Runswick Bay Lifeboat Station' page was to try to eliminate more of these errors continuing. Ojsyork (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)- Regardless of whether the term does or doesn't originate with a Wikipedia error (which seems unlikely to be the case for all uses) it is now a plausible search term. Redirects do not need to be correct to be useful. Thryduulf (talk) 12:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or keep?
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- Keep per Thryduulf. I understand this title originated from an error on Wikipedia, but it existed for a significant amount of time, and during that time it is plausible that someone created an incoming link to it that we should not break unnecessarily. Tag with {{R from move}} and {{R from incorrect name}}. This isn't an unusual situation. Daask (talk) 14:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. A7V2 (talk) 06:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Cow neck
[edit]Seems like a plausible target for a neck cut of beef also. (Though unfortunately web search results seem to be obscured by misspellings of cowl neck.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- The neck cut of beef in itself is not a WP:NOTABLE target. The Cow Neck Peninsula is notable, and moreover is known colloquially simply as "Cow Neck". Best, Castncoot (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep? Or retarget to Cut of beef?
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- Convert to dab. The discussion thus far doesn't seem to recognize that Cow Neck is distinct from Cow neck. Cow, Cut of beef, and Cow Neck Peninsula are all plausible targets. "Cow neck" in reference to Cow Neck Peninsula is very rare, but has been used at at least once in print. Daask (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not Cow Neck Peninsula, but Cow Neck exists for that. Whilst "neck" might describe a Cut of beef, it isn't mentioned in the article in that way (and no other "Cow xxxx" redirect targets that article). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Oc county
[edit]- Oc county → Ocean County, New Jersey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Search results for this are mostly about Orange County, California. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- "OC" refers to Orange County, California; "Oc county" is used to describe Ocean County, New Jersey (the only Ocean County in the U.S.) Best, Castncoot (talk) 01:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Orange County, California and add a hatnote. Per the nom, the search results are overwhelmingly for the county in California (despite the tautology). Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Orange County, California Clear primary topic. I get some hits for other Orange Counties but not any for Ocean County, so I'm not sure about the need for a hatnote. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate to OC,CA; OC,NJ; Orange County, New York (where OCC is from, not Cali); and Orange County (disambiguation) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 05:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Most of the search results that I see are not necessarily to be interpreted as redundant acronyms. Instead they refer to things like the "OC County Government" or "OC County Clerk" meaning the county clerk of Orange County, California with "county clerk" being more-or-less the job title. In this case, these shouldn't be regarded as examples of "OC County" as a subject at all. This could support the target of Ocean County, but given the ambiguity in how these uses could be interpreted, disambiguation seems better. Daask (talk) 15:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I might accept OC (county) as a redirect to somewhere but that's not what this is. Orange County, California is not the target for any redirect of "OC" or similar, and Orange County does not assert a primary topic for "Orange County"; neither does OC#Counties assert a primary topic. It's ambiguous, and/or badly capitalized. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:24, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Predictions of the end of Facebook
[edit]- Predictions of the end of Facebook → Facebook (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Predictions of the end of Twitter → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
If a reader typing predictions of t into the search bar (after seeing such an article for Google or Wikipedia) stumbles upon a page like Predictions of the end of X which redirects to X social media platform, they may be given the potentially false impression that the article on X may contain information about such predictions and may end up wasting their time scrolling through the article only to potentially conclude that no such information may be present. Sure, they were "merged" into their respective articles, but their poor usefulness is still a problem. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep End of Facebook and refine to Facebook#Userbase, the last paragraph of which has content on predictions of the end of Facebook. Weirdly enough I can't actually find anything like that for Twitter, despite the widespread doomposting after Musk bought it, but I would expect it would be worth a sentence or two at least in Twitter under Elon Musk or Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk. Rusalkii (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep of Facebook one: mentioned but I don't think it's that plausible a search term, nor something it makes sense to link to from other articles, but it does no harm. Delete Twitter one unless mentioned somewhere, in which case (weakly) keep or retarget as appropriate. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii, above. Delete twitter one, it can be recreated if/once information about the many news articles speculating about the end of twitter under Elon is added to an article. Fieari (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged Predictions of the end of Twitter as {{R from merge}}. Note that Predictions of Facebook's end would also need to be retargeted if the nominated one is. Jay 💬 09:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 04:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii. Delete twitter one per Fieari. No prejudice against recreation if a suitable target exists. Daask (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Weekend Trip
[edit]- Weekend Trip → List of TV5 (Philippine TV network) original programming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Weekend trip → Tourism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Ambiguous title. ToadetteEdit (talk) 12:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've added Weekend trip to this discussion, which points to a completely different article that also doesn't mention the phrase, although it is clearly related. In terms of articles that do mention the phrase, almost all are NOTTRAVELGUIDE violations or passing mentions in plot summaries. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'd call this a weekend away which doesn't exist, but Weekend Away does (and targets an article on a film). Depending on if a viable target for the others can be found this too may need thought about. If no target for the first two can be found then I suppose they will be deleted and nothing changes for Weekend Away. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both With capitals, this is the name of the weekend primetime programming block for TV5 (see playlist on the channel's Youtube). Without capitals, it's a common form of tourism or leisure activity. SFB 20:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both, but add a mention to both targets to make them useful. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both. There isn't any information on "weekend trips" here on EnWiki. Better if we let search results handle this. CycloneYoris talk! 04:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no mention at either target.
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Halloween Cup
[edit]- Halloween Cup → List of figure skating competitions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target. ToadetteEdit (talk) 10:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Has been added to the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and make a redlink at the target so it encourages article creation. Currently it is a self-redirect and has no information other than the country - Hungary. Unfortunately, so is the condition with some (or several) other entries in that list. Jay 💬 18:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Ragg tuning fork
[edit]- Ragg tuning fork → Tuning fork (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's apparently some brand that produces tuning forks. not mentioned in the target, doesn't seem like there's anything reliable regarding it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, it is a brand but from what I can tell it seems to be one of, if not the, most notable manufacturer of tuning forks with at least two apparently reliable sources discussing it in depth [9] and [10] so there would be no verifiability issues with adding a mention. Whether a mention would be due or not I don't know, but I can't say for certain it wouldn't be. The redirect is getting suprisingly many views (over 100 this year), at least some of those will be because it's linked at rock gong but whether that's responsible for all of them I can't say (if the redirect is deleted that link must be updated). Thryduulf (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- weird place to put what's effectively an ad (or mistaking "ragg" as being part of the name), but i won't question it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the target and the creator pages.
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- Keep - Based on sources linked here, it does appear to be a notable in Europe, and seems similar to the redirects utilized in Category:Redirects from brand names. I would be happy to edit in a sentence to tuning fork as well about well-known manufacturers, if needed. Shotgunheist 💬 15:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, no mention of "Ragg" at this time. If a mention is added to the article, feel free to recreate the redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: WP:INVOLVED relist to close the page.
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- Delete per Utopes. Thryduulf's first source is native advertising. I appreciate Shotgunheist's offer to add to the article, but I'm wary of adding brands to articles on their industry without putting in the effort to ensure it is reasonably comprehensive and well-sourced. It's not a quick task. Daask (talk) 15:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
2024 Untitled Kendrick Lamar song
[edit]- 2024 Untitled Kendrick Lamar song → Watch the Party Die (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is getting absurb. Same spirit as Untitled Kendrick Lamar song RfD; already named. Roasted (talk) 03:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Very strong keep this is getting hundreds of hits a day, it's unambiguous and unquestionably useful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for this. Unlike the "Untitled Kendrick Lamar song" RfD, there are no other pages this can link to, its not ambiguous. What's more is that its target doesn't have a title, it literally is a 2024 untitled kendrick lamar song. It's a useful redirect that gets a good number of hits ULPS (talk • contribs) 12:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The target is notable for being untitled. The target's current name is apparently WP:OR that can be cited, and is not the name the song's artist chose for the song. Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the above. The article discusses the "untitledness" of this song: "media outlets referred to the untitled song as "Watch the Party Die"". A7V2 (talk) 07:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
2024 Untitled Kendrick Song
[edit]- 2024 Untitled Kendrick Song → Watch the Party Die (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Same spirit as Untitled Kendrick Lamar song RfD; already named. Roasted (talk) 03:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The target is an unnamed 2024 song by Kendrick. "Watch the Party Die" is just a line in the chorus not a name. So this is accurate and unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 11:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per my argument in the other RfD and Thryduulf. ULPS (talk • contribs) 12:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The target is notable for being untitled. The target's current name is apparently WP:OR that can be cited, and is not the name the song's artist chose for the song. Steel1943 (talk) 19:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the above and arguments at the "2024 Untitled Kendrick Lamar song" discussion. A7V2 (talk) 07:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Untitled Kendrick Lamar song (2024)
[edit]- Untitled Kendrick Lamar song (2024) → Watch the Party Die (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
In the same spirit as Untitled Kendrick Lamar song RfD; already named. Roasted (talk) 03:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above - the song is unnamed ("Watch the Party Die" is just a line from the chorus) so this is accurate and unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per my argument in the other RfD and Thryduulf. ULPS (talk • contribs) 12:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The target is notable for being untitled. The target's current name is apparently WP:OR that can be cited, and is not the name the song's artist chose for the song. Steel1943 (talk) 19:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the above and arguments at the "2024 Untitled Kendrick Lamar song" discussion. A7V2 (talk) 07:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
SLSB
[edit]- SLSB → Capitán Germán Quiroga Guardia Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguity between this and Jakarta Enterprise Beans#Stateless Session Beans was pointed out in Special:Diff/1183640947; in addition, there is Notre_Dame_University_Bangladesh#School_of_Life_Science_and_Biomedical_(SLSB). 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig there is also Sri Lanka Savings Bank, Société lyonnaise des schistes bitumineux (mentioned extensively at Les Télots Mine, I think it's a former operator but I'm not completely sure) and the entry at Association of Luxembourg Student Unions#Great Britain may or may not warrant an entry on the dab page. Sierra Leone Standards Bureau is the primary topic for me on Google but I can't immediately find any mention here. Thryduulf (talk) 01:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Thryduulf. Daask (talk) 15:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Burin en-bec-de-flute
[edit]- Burin en-bec-de-flute → Burin (lithic flake) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "en-bec-de-flute" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Well, it is evidently a standard term and should be added. Johnbod (talk) 02:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Now added. You could have done this yourself. Johnbod (talk) 02:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Johnbod En-bec-de-flute is not bec-de-flute. Should this be moved to Burin bec-de-flute then? I've brought it here purposefully because I prefer it deleted (and still do as long as there's no mention of "en-bec-de-flute"), especially not inserting it to a page using only a Google search result as a reference URL, as it has been done so. But at least there is added content to warrant a Bec-de-flute target, so I'll thank you for improving the pedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at google the term is used in different formations. Yes, a different redirect should probably set up, or a few. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- That Google search is not a proper reference. Here is one that looks promising, but I need to get to other things and can't pursue this further at the moment.
- Johnbod En-bec-de-flute is not bec-de-flute. Should this be moved to Burin bec-de-flute then? I've brought it here purposefully because I prefer it deleted (and still do as long as there's no mention of "en-bec-de-flute"), especially not inserting it to a page using only a Google search result as a reference URL, as it has been done so. But at least there is added content to warrant a Bec-de-flute target, so I'll thank you for improving the pedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Heizer, Robert F., and Harper Kelley. “Burins and Bladelets in the Cessac Collection from Santa Cruz Island, California.” Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, vol. 106, no. 2, 1962, pp. 94–105. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/985375. Accessed 20 Sept. 2024.
LadyofShalott 13:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is a proper reference, but by all means add another. I'm not sure there isn't a difference between Old and New World defnitions. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Bruce Weber (reporter)
[edit]- Bruce Weber (reporter) → The New York Times (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no discussion or dialogue about a reporter named Bruce Weber at the target article, leaving searchers on a goose chase to read a long page to find nothing about their search term. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I've not managed to find any coverage of him on en.wp (although as Bruce Weber (photographer) has also had work published in/reviewed by the New York Times it's quite possible I've missed something). Courtesy ping to Jmg38 who removed the entry from the dab page last year. Thryduulf (talk) 00:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Only two links: first was needlessly added in November 2023 to his name originally entered in an en.wiki article in 2005, a classic WP:WTAF that was not looking/needing to be written for the previous 18 years (and an edit should remove his name anyway - an unsupported advertisement for a teaching program that is sufficiently covered by the three properly bluelinked [still unsupported] examples given in the same sentence); second was needlessly added in December 2023 to his name originally entered in an en.wiki article in 2011, a link not needed for the previous 12 years (and an edit should remove the name on this one anyway - replace In his obituary for Peter Yates, Bruce Weber wrote, "Mr. Yates' reputation simply... with His obituary in The New York Times states that his "reputation simply... ). Jmg38 (talk) 01:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Sometimes Wikipedia is not the best way to find info. Johnbod (talk) 03:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and the above. A7V2 (talk) 07:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Box-Office Entertainment Awards
[edit]Boussh
[edit]No mention of "Bous", "ssh" much less "Boussh" at the target article. Apparently this is a piece of Star Wars trivia. I can't tell whether this is supposed to be an alter ego name? At least, the contents of the article make no implication that this is supposed to be the case. This redirect otherwise leaves people guessing what this means or who this is, or if it's a lightsaber sound effect. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Princess Leia was wearing Boussh's outfit when she infiltrated Jabba's palace at the beginning of Return of the Jedi. It could be added to the article and the redirect kept, or it could be deleted as the detail is too trivial, and the name "Boussh" is not stated in the film. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a {{r from misspelling}} of Boushh, which was mentioned in the target article until it was removed in June. I just reinserted the mention. - Eureka Lott 20:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not fully convinced that the mention is enough for Boushh to be a suitable redirect, but in any case per that redirect this should be refined to Princess Leia#Return of the Jedi where the mention is found. A7V2 (talk) 07:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Boston's best variety
[edit]No mention of "best" at the target article. The only mention of "Variety" is in the references, as a link to variety.com. The slogan for this radio is never implied, and not helpful as a search term bringing articles to a location where the slogan is never mentioned or discussed. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes: "Boston's best variety" is, in fact, the radio station's actual slogan. It's even mentioned on the official website: https://www.audacy.com/mix1041 . Duckmather (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Readers who type this in will not know this from the article contents. Material should be added to the page, or the redirect should be removed, because as it stands its confusing and misleading due to a lack of context at the target. There might be an infobox parameter which could make the former option easier, unsure. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes The reason it's not in the article is because Infobox radio station no longer has a slogan parameter, in keeping with removals in other infoboxes. Discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations/Archive 2021#Removing slogan parameter from Infobox radio station and Infobox television station. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Readers who type this in will not know this from the article contents. Material should be added to the page, or the redirect should be removed, because as it stands its confusing and misleading due to a lack of context at the target. There might be an infobox parameter which could make the former option easier, unsure. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - the logo in the infobox on WWBX includes this slogan. That alone is probably not enough, however. A7V2 (talk) 07:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Bosch Institute
[edit]- Bosch Institute → Sydney Medical School (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Bosch", and only one mention of "institute" at the target article, this mention being a general usage. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Bo’oh’o’wa’er
[edit]- Bo’oh’o’wa’er → T-glottalization (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The article for T-glottalization does not discuss water or "wa'er". This is type-able only as a meme, but the article in question does not discuss memes or any of their implications about Bri'ish pronunciation. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete en.wiki is not an indiscriminate collection of memes --Lenticel (talk) 01:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
BlockParty (game portal)
[edit]No mention of a feature called "blockparty" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Decco Bishop
[edit]- Decco Bishop → List of Fair City characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No entry at the target page, only appears within a reference. Nothing really encyclopedic about this person. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Charlotte Bishop
[edit]- Charlotte Bishop → List of Fair City characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No entry at the target page, just appears in a reference. Nothing really encyclopedic about this person. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Billy Rowan
[edit]- Billy Rowan → List of The Bill characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target list of characters. I suppose they aren't "the Bill"... Utopes (talk / cont) 23:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Cranberry Station
[edit]- Cranberry Station → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem like we have any content on the GTA meaning of this, but there are Terra_Alta,_West_Virginia#History and Ilwaco_Railway_and_Navigation_Company#Cranberry_Station on other uses. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
DcVD
[edit]- DcVD → Dreamcast#Technical specifications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"DcVD" or "Dreamcast Video Disc" not mentioned at the target article. Mika1h (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore without prejudice. This was blarred for "no sources", despite there being two sources in the article (although nothing inline). Two minutes on google finds multiple sources that might be reliable, and considering the era of the technology (~1998-2001) it's very likely that most sources are not online, so this needs proper evaluation. There are other uses of this acronym but none of them are mentioned on en.wp so disambiguation is not a relevant option. Thryduulf (talk) 00:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article per Thryduulf. A7V2 (talk) 07:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Bill Kilday
[edit]- Bill Kilday → Niantic, Inc. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This individual might have worked for Niantic since its founding as Keyhole, but Kilday is not mentioned at the target article, so people looking for this topic will not receive any information pertinent to it within the prose. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I was going to eventually write an improvement with the Niantic article to include Bill Kilday. Let's see if I can get something going for a sufficient mention of him in the Niantic article. – The Grid (talk) 15:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just updated the article to have a mention at least. I'll probably add more when I have the time – The Grid (talk) 17:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't think the bare mention added is enough to justify this redirect. A7V2 (talk) 07:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Subfebrile
[edit]Unfortunately no mention at target; it looks like a soft redirect to wikt:subfebrile is the only option right now. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:subfebrile per nom. It seems like the best option since there's no mention at the article. Regards, SONIC678 17:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Big Yud
[edit]No mention of "Big Yud" at the target article. Tagged as an r from non-neutral name without mention, as it was upon creation in 2018. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support It is a joke name for Yudkowsky that is not used seriously, and almost certainly not in any RS. I doubt this redirect is helping anyone. Gbear605 (talk) 03:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a joke name for Yudkowsky, which makes the existence of this redirect extremely funny. No Yuds were harmed in the making of this redirect. (I don't think it counts as non-neutral or offensive; I've only seen it used jokingly or affectionately.) – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:43, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. A google search shows that this nickname is actually used online, so it's probably useful. Somebody could see people discussing "Big Yud" on a forum and not know who it is, so they might search for that title. I'm also not sure if the name is "non-neutral" or offensive, so I can't comment on that. Di (they-them) (talk) 22:44, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Big Blag
[edit]R with history. No mention of a "Blag" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just redirect it to Battletoads_(1991_video_game), the article of the first video game. It's expected that the article on the franchise doesn't mention Blag. --uKER (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Big Bear (malt liquor)
[edit]- Big Bear (malt liquor) → Pabst Brewing Company (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
R with history. BLAR'd in 2020. No mention of "Big Bear" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is Hamm's Brewery#Hamm's Bear as a differential potential target. AFAICT the phrase "Big Bear" originated from Hamm's and was used e.g. as Big Bear Happenings corporate newsletter, December 1972.. But judging from the fact that malt liquor was a 1980's thing and Pabst purchased Hamm's in 1983, the malt liquor originated from Pabst. Not particularly notable. I'd say finish what was started and delete. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Barnsley Chop
[edit]- Barnsley Chop → Meat chop (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Barnsley chop → Meat chop (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Barnsley" at the target article, unclear relationship to the target besides that they are both a form of "chop". Utopes (talk / cont) 23:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase redirect to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 01:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Add content I'm very surprised we don't have much content about this (there is a mention in a footnote at Culture of England), and there is absolutely no shortage of sources about it (I'm not convinced the nominator has done any sort of BEFORE here). The only thing I'm uncertain of is where the mention is best, hopefully someone more familiar with editing food articles will know better than me. Thryduulf (talk) 01:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Lamb and mutton#Cuts per Johnbod below. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and change the current target: Added to Lamb_and_mutton#Cuts, where it belongs. Totally notable if anyone wanted to do an article. Johnbod (talk) 03:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and change per Johnbod. I agree that in its current form as proposed it is useless, and I see that if changed as proposed it would be useful, probably also delicious. DBaK (talk) 08:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Banapassport
[edit]- Banapassport → Bandai Namco Entertainment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of a "passport" at the target article. No mention of "bana", implied to be short for "bandai namco", nor is there an implication of a "banapassport". Utopes (talk / cont) 23:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Banana Guard
[edit]- Banana Guard → List of Adventure Time characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Banana Guard appears as a unique fighter in MultiVersus. However, Banana Guard is not mentioned at the target article, and therefore misleads readers who navigate to this redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Baduizm World Tour
[edit]R with history. No mention of such a world tour at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article per WP:BLAR. A7V2 (talk) 07:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology
[edit]- Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology → Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture and Technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
R with history. No mention of Baba Saheb, Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep See [11] from the university's site. Relevant section: "Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering & Technology, Etawah was established during the year 1994-95. This college is a faculty of Technology of Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture & Technology, Kanpur-U.P." -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
All my life, it's like I'm always just about to fall off the edge of the world's tallest building. I stopped falling the second I saw you.
[edit]- All my life, it's like I'm always just about to fall off the edge of the world's tallest building. I stopped falling the second I saw you. → West Side Story (2021 film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "all my life", or any other part of this quote, at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak soft redirect to q:West Side Story (2021 film), where that quote is mentioned, but I'm also open to deletion if that doesn't work. I'm not sure if this will work, but this line is mentioned on the Wikiquote page, and it may potentially be helpful. Regards, SONIC678 15:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
East Hill, Wisconsin
[edit]- East Hill, Wisconsin → Wausau, Wisconsin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Franklin Hill, Wisconsin → Wausau, Wisconsin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These do not appear at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Misha Gromov
[edit]- Misha Gromov → Mikhail Gromov (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Yes, "Misha" is a standard shortening of Mikhail in Russian, but I can't find any source referring to the aviator with this shortening, so this seems to unambiguously refer to Mikhael Gromov (mathematician). (If this were to be kept though, then Michael Gromov should be retargeted to the disambig as well since it is only more likely to be ambiguous.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Dendrolaelaps
[edit]- Dendrolaelaps baculus → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dendrolaelaps baddeley → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dendrolaelaps baixuelii → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dendrolaelaps bakeri → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dendrolaelaps balazyi → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dendrolaelaps bengalensis → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dendrolaelaps bialowiezae → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dendrolaelaps bidentatus → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dendrolaelaps bistilus → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dendrolaelaps brasiliensis → Dendrolaelaps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of ~120 titles from CAT:RAW. All of these are species that are listed on List of Dendrolaelaps species, apparently. However, each of these is a redirect to Dendrolaelaps, which mentions none of these. There may indeed be procedurally generated history in each, from User:qbugbot, among possibly others. Most of which are no longer mentioned in the sources, hence they've been converted into redirects. I am not an expert on these species, but I am an "expert" in knowing these are not useful redirects to Dendrolaelaps, and mislead readers with no current information at the target article. Notably, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 9#Dendrolaelaps aberratus closed as delete. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Dendrolaelaps species maybe? Note that some entries there are redlinks, though there might be a case for unlinking the whole list. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4:, many of these were created as redirects. Letting you know I have just added the previous discussion to this, where one species closed as delete. While most of these were created as redirects, some became auto-generated articles. However, they were BLAR'd after "no longer being in the cited reference", apparently. Dendrolaelaps langi is such an example. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
JSTC
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Apparently also refers to John Spendluffe Technology College. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to John Spendluffe Technology College, or disambiguate if there's more, but retargeting is better than keeping at the current target where the acronym isn't mentioned. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Utopes. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Four Fs (evolution
[edit]- Four Fs (evolution → Four Fs (evolution) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Missing parenthesis makes this an unlikely search term; this is not how we do disambiguation. External links should not cause us to create unnatural, otherwise inappropriate titles. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB. Duckmather (talk) 23:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as malformed. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Now Dance 89 - 20 Smash Dance Hits (The 12" Mixes
[edit]- Now Dance 89 - 20 Smash Dance Hits (The 12" Mixes → Now That's What I Call Music! discography#Now Dance series (1985–2023) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not contain a closing parentheses. A common mistake, but unlikely search term. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB. No history. Duckmather (talk) 00:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to malformed dabifier --Lenticel (talk) 01:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as malformed. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Picton Airport (New Zealand
[edit]- Picton Airport (New Zealand → Koromiko, New Zealand (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Missing a closing redirect parenthesis. Seems to have been an intentional move? I can't parse it. I'd like to speedy it though, little history. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB. Only history was a page move. (Also, @Utopes, it's not missing a closing redirect, it's
missing a closing parenthesis
.) Duckmather (talk) 00:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ty for catching lol ;) Utopes (talk / cont) 00:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A redirect without the typo exists (and links to the right article). Nurg (talk) 10:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as malformed. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
The Devastator (film
[edit]- The Devastator (film → The Devastator (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Missing a closing parentheses. A common mistake. Was converted into a redirect instead of being deleted. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB. This apparently used to be a stab at an article but was redirected in the very next edit. Duckmather (talk) 00:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to malformed dabifier --Lenticel (talk) 01:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it was at this title for about a minute in May and the correct title was created by the same author about another minute later so there is probably no need for a history merge and as such there is nothing worth keeping in this page's history. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB. Also, per the page's edit history, seems this redirect should have been tagged for WP:G7 speedy deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as malformed. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky
[edit]- Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky → (Ghost) Riders in the Sky: A Cowboy Legend (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "yippie" or "yay" at the target article. Highly implausible and seemingly subjective onomatopoeia baked into the title, not just prose. It doesn't appear in the prose. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
And I think to myself: 'What a wonderful world.'
[edit]- And I think to myself: 'What a wonderful world.' → What a Wonderful World (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "think" or "myself". This lyric is not discussed at the target page. People using this search term would already know the song title as it's baked into the redirect, and this is an implausible way of searching for such a song, as nobody would expect the song title to contain a colon and singular apostrophes around the "what a wonderful world", plus a period. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Everybody in the whole cell block was dancing to the Jailhouse Rock
[edit]- Everybody in the whole cell block was dancing to the Jailhouse Rock → Jailhouse Rock (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While this lyric does contain "Jailhouse Rock", that is more of a reason that people who type this, already know what the song is called. To that end, typing out the full lyric implies that they're looking for content related to the lyric. Unfortunately, this lyric is not mentioned at the target page. No mentions of "everybody", "cell", "block", "cellblock", "cell block", or "dancing" (the only use of "dancing" in the article, is as a category). Utopes (talk / cont) 20:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
[edit]- Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone → Big Yellow Taxi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this phrase at the target article, no mentions of "always" or "till". This is not a likely term to use when searching for the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Except that it (along with "they paved paradise, put up a parking lot") is the part that most people remember - the title is buried in a single line towards the end. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- That might be the case: that this string of 16 words is memorable in the context of the song. When people search Wikipedia, they search for titles of encyclopedia articles. If there's not a title, it scans the page contents for search matches. If you put this string in Google, "Big Yellow Taxi" is the first item that immediately pops up. The Genius lyric page, a link to Youtube, Big Yellow Taxi Wikipedia page, it's all right there. But Wikipedia isn't a lyric database. That line doesn't appear at the target page, so people searching for it in quotes will receive zero results. There's no way to know which line of the song is everyone's favorite, so unless there's sourced coverage about the line at the target article, and there's not, it's a confusing redirect without context. (Incidentally, they paved paradise and put up a parking lot actually has coverage at the target page, and exists as a redirect since 2007.) Utopes (talk / cont) 23:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
All the young dudes carry the news, boogaloo dudes carry the news
[edit]- All the young dudes carry the news, boogaloo dudes carry the news → All the Young Dudes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of the word "boogaloo" at the target article. This lyric is not discussed. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I don't care what people say: rock 'n' roll is here to stay
[edit]- I don't care what people say: rock 'n' roll is here to stay → Rock and Roll Is Here to Stay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of anything relating to "I don't care what people say". Nobody would type this, place a colon, and then remove the "a" and "d" and type 'n' instead of and. While people might say "rock n roll", nowhere in the article is this abbreviation used. Coupled with the first half, this phrase is not discussed at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I've been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks
[edit]- I've been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks → Heart-Shaped Box (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of the word "locked" at the target article, and the mention of "weeks" is not in the context of the lyric. People looking for this subject will be misled, as it's not a lyric we cover at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I've been through the desert on a horse with no name, it felt good to be out of the rain
[edit]- I've been through the desert on a horse with no name, it felt good to be out of the rain → A Horse with No Name (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of rain at the target article, totally implausible to type this entire thing when it contains the song name in question. With no material about this lyric at the target article, this is a confusing redirect which misleads readers who think we cover this subject when we do not. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I wrote it on the Starter cap
[edit]- I wrote it on the Starter cap → Stan (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of a "starter cap" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Relatively minor lyric in the song. Unlikely search term. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
[edit]- 'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks → Shook Ones, Part II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "halfway" or "crooks" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirects from sufficiently well-known song lyrics can be useful even if the lyric in question is not mentioned in the article. This particular lyric is one of the song's best-known lines, and is part of the chorus, meaning it recurs regularly throughout the song's runtime. Accordingly, I believe it meets the threshold of usefulness. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Wu-Tang is for the children
[edit]- Wu-Tang is for the children → 40th Annual Grammy Awards (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Wu-Tang" in the children's section, and no mention of children pertaining to Wu-Tang's entry. Without any context at the target page, this redirect does not answer questions for the reader, and only creates them (as I am now confused and am searching externally to find this, as the Wikipedia page has not assisted this). Btw it was a "phrase uttered" during these Grammy's, but our article for it does not indicate as such. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ol' Dirty Bastard, as his article discusses the incident. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Two to the one from the one to the three
[edit]- Two to the one from the one to the three → Shake That (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
You reposted this redirect on the wrong Wikipedia (not mentioned). Utopes (talk / cont) 17:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Don't you wanna grow up to be just like me
[edit]- Don't you wanna grow up to be just like me → Role Model (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this lyric at the target article. It is much more plausible for readers to be using the song name as a search term to reach this, or investigating elsewhere to find out what song this comes from, in order to answer the FAQ about the song & lyric combo, which Wikipedia is not a FAQ. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Check baby check baby one two three four
[edit]- Check baby check baby one two three four → Rump Shaker (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "check baby" at the target page; this lyric isn't mentioned, and I don't foresee people using a countdown as a search term to reach the page about the target song. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Ass so fat that you could see it from the front
[edit]- Ass so fat that you could see it from the front → Ms. Fat Booty (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of this lyric at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I take seven kids from Columbine, stand 'em all in line, add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine
[edit]- I take seven kids from Columbine, stand 'em all in line, add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine → The Marshall Mathers LP (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Columbine controversy is mentioned, with a section discussing the lyric. However, this is not the lyric. The lyric says "AK-47, a revolver, and a .9", and starts with "I'll take" instead of "I take". That said, there is no mention of AK-47s or revolvers at the target article, either, so this title is spelled out well beyond what is covered and listed at the target. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady, all you other Slim Shadies are just imitating
[edit]- I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady, all you other Slim Shadies are just imitating → The Real Slim Shady (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This lyric is not mentioned at the target article. It is far more plausible for someone to type in the name of the song, rather than a full lyric ending in the word "imitating", which "imitating" does not appear at the target article. This is not an alternative name for the song, even if a line in the chorus. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirects from sufficiently well-known song lyrics can be useful even if the lyric in question is not mentioned in the article. This line contains much of the song's chorus, and is therefore likely to meet that threshold of utility. While I do agree that it's unlikely a user would type out this entire lyric, I find it plausible that one might type in, say, "I'm Slim Shady" alone—at which point the redirect pops up as a suggested search, and the reader ultimately benefits. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Dr. Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement
[edit]- Dr. Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement → The Real Slim Shady (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There's no mention of a basement at the target article; people using this particularly lyric will be disappointed to find no material related to the content of their lyrical search term. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Relatively unimportant lyric in the song. Unlikely search term. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Guess who's back, back again
[edit]- Guess who's back, back again → Without Me (Eminem song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear at the target article. Incidentally, this is also a lyric for Houdini, but mentioned at neither article. This isn't a helpful search term for people looking for Eminem topics, as they'd either search the song names, or search his. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirects from sufficiently well-known song lyrics can be useful even if the lyric in question is not mentioned in the article. This particular lyric is part of the intro to one of Eminem's best-known singles, making it reasonably likely that it's well-known enough to be a useful redirect. I don't personally think the reoccurrence in Houdini is likely to cause substantial confusion; the lyric was likely added to Houdini in order to deliberately reference its previous use in Without Me, which would further suggest that the lyric is recognizable both on its own terms and as something associated with the destination. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. -1ctinus📝🗨 15:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:Lang1
[edit]- Template:Lang1 → Template:Uw-engvar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang2 → Template:Uw-disruptive2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang3 → Template:Uw-disruptive3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang4 → Template:Uw-vandalism4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang0 → Template:Uw-engvar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Lang0-n → Template:Uw-engvar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should all belong to one set, or none at all. There is also Template:Lang which is completely unrelated to these. I think deletion would be a good option as I can't see any real reason to prefer one warning template over the others. Gonnym (talk) 17:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I've left a note about this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace where all the talk pages redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Lang1, Lang2 and Lang3 were redirected following separate discussions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 June 11, Lang4 was was redirected following Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 June 6#Lang 4. Pinging participants in those discussions: @Jc86035, Srleffler, Frietjes, TheDragonFire, and Plastikspork:. Thryduulf (talk) 18:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all - the naming implies that these are four levels of a single set, but in fact engvar is a single-level warning template; the others are members of two different sets of multi-level warnings. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've added two more. --Gonnym (talk) 07:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if these are no longer in use. The previous redirects spoiled their function as a series of escalating warnings; there is no point keeping the redirects now.--Srleffler (talk) 16:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
I said a hip, hop, the hippie the hippie to the hip hop, and you don't stop
[edit]- I said a hip, hop, the hippie the hippie to the hip hop, and you don't stop → Rapper's Delight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is not the lyric of the song, it goes "to the hip-hip-hop and you don't stop". But even so, this is not a likely method of reaching this title. People who want to find the song that goes like this, can try a search engine built for such. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Hey girls, hey boys, superstar DJs, here we go!
[edit]- Hey girls, hey boys, superstar DJs, here we go! → The Roof Is on Fire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of superstar DJs at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire, we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn! Burn, motherfucker, burn!
[edit]- The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire, we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn! Burn, motherfucker, burn! → The Roof Is on Fire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible to use the full length of the chorus to reach the article for the song, when this can be achieved by typing "the roof is on fire". Whether or not the article is known for its song, we don't make these redirects unless there is relevant, sourced and structured content at the target page, else people using this search term will be confused where the content is related to their search. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- BURN- BURN TO THE GROUND- BURN TO TH- BURN per nom, and potentially daftify as well cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump
[edit]- The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump → Jump (Kris Kross song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "mac dad", or "daddy mac". While a lyric, without mention this does not provide any benefit to readers, who are likely to get here from the song name. There is no context for this search term, or where "daddy mac" is derived. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: For clarity, "Daddy Mac" is the name of one of the members of Kris Kross, the group that performed the song. (The other member is known as "Mac Daddy", hence "Mac Dad" in the lyric.) No opinion on the proposal otherwise. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Death Row's in tha muthaphukkin house
[edit]- Death Row's in tha muthaphukkin house → Fuck wit Dre Day (And Everybody's Celebratin') (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not listed in the target article, and definitely not at this spelling (is missing a "c", apparently?) Utopes (talk / cont) 17:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Meditation
[edit]- Wikipedia:Meditation → Wikipedia:Mediation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Meditation Committee → Wikipedia:Mediation Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Meditation and Mediation are drastically different concepts, and editors would be better served by a red link to indicate that they've used the completely wrong word rather than a silent redirect (as existed at WikiProject Medicine for months). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added Wikipedia:Meditation Committee to this discussion as the same rationale almost certainly applies. Wikipedia:Meditation Cabal exists, but it is a humour page not a redirect, no other page in project space begins with "Meditation", but Wikipedia:WikiProject Transcendental Meditation is a thing. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Thibault Perissat
[edit]- Thibault Perissat → Peter Park (poker player)#Outright (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a likely needed redirect BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Looks like the article it's pointing to is about to get deleted for non-notability, and this name within that article is even less notable than that, so... Fieari (talk) 05:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep If the main target (within the redirect) gets merged into another article there should be a, more logical, redirect to that instead. PsychoticIncall (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Just thought I'd mention that the target article, Peter Park (poker player), is at AFD right now. Liz Read! Talk! 18:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep without prejudice pending the outcome of the AfD. If the article is deleted this will be eligible for G8 speedy deletion, if it isn't then keep, redirect (and where to) or merge (and what is merged to where) will each have different implications for what the best thing to do with this redirect is so there's no point in discussing it until we know. Thryduulf (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The AfD closed as redirect to 2024 World Series of Poker. C F A 💬 20:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete(?): he's mentioned on 2024 World Series of Poker, but that doesn't look useful enough for a redirect to me. Better to just let people find that one via the search engine? -- asilvering (talk) 03:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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EYS
[edit]Not a plausible target. One meaning of this initialism seems to be Eu Yan Sang, though there are likely others. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig (drafted), in addition to the town and the company there is an airport with this IATA code. EYS also seems to refer to a type of explosion-proof electrical conduit (I think) but Wikipedia doesn't seem to have any relevant content I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 13:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig as suggested by Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
The great edit war
[edit]- The great edit war → Caesar salad (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The page it redirects to has no mention of any edit war. Probably a reference to some edit war on the page, but I don't think that warrants a redirect, and there's been many other big edit wars anyways. Gaismagorm (talk) 11:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, there's a mainspace List of edit wars on Wikipedia but none of them is singled out as "the great" one (and Caesar salad is not listed). Belbury (talk) 11:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There is an entry at Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars#Caesar salad but it isn't described as "great" there either (the only edit war at WP:LAME noted as being "great" is Wikipedia:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2020/The Great April Fools' Day Edit War of 2020), but Wikipedia:Great Edit War does exist documenting the dispute over the salad's national origin. None of those pages should be the target of a redirect from mainspace. Thryduulf (talk) 13:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible and confusing. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
FuBl 2
[edit]- FuBl 2 → Instrument landing system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Is this referring to the differently capitalised "FuBL 2" at Luftwaffe_radio_equipment_of_World_War_II#Navigation_and_direction_finding? 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move to FuBL 2 or Delete. Jay 💬 11:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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Verenigd Koninkrijk
[edit]- Verenigd Koninkrijk → United Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete per WP:RLANG – Dutch name for the United Kingdom. Cremastra (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dutch exonyms#United Kingdom where it's mentioned. -- Tavix (talk) 18:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Do not keep per everyone who has participate thus far in this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Tavix, who voted keep in the previous discussions of 2015, 2017 and 2020. but has found a better target, and hopefully an end to the renominations. Jay 💬 13:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Tavix and Jay. It's mentioned at that target and its plausibility as a search term has not changed since it was last discussed. Thryduulf (talk) 13:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dutch exonyms#United Kingdom per the above. A7V2 (talk) 07:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Ḙ
[edit]- Ḙ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ṷ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These were nominated in 2010 as part of a WP:TRAINWRECKy nomination already, but they are not mentioned at the target, which barely talks about a circumflex below (note that this is currently a red link) at all. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retain The solution surely is to add content about 'circumflex below' to the circumflex article. This is a credible redirect, though I haven't found a citation for it. I came across a suggestion that 'circumflex below' is used in IPA, perhaps Nardog can advise? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
U+032D ◌̭ COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT BELOW • Americanist: fronted articulation
. Perhaps that was the concept? (I'm 50 fathoms out of my depth here, so apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet is not the same as Americanist phonetic notation. Nardog (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- That usage is mentioned in Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Nardog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unless Ḙ is strongly associated with one language, I recommend giving it the same fate as "Circumflex below" (currently a red link). Assuming this is the case, where should "Circumflex below" redirect? Most likely to one of the following: Circumflex#Unicode, Circumflex#Circumflex_below (a new, more specific section), or Combining character (a more general article). Jruderman (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
The circumflex below is a notation used by the Uralic Phonetic Alphabet to indicate a raised variant of a vowel
? - I don't see it anywhere at Americanist phonetic notation but specifically not at Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Is it a Unicode Consortium error? [see https://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_0300.html ]). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC) revised 17:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
- We should add Ṱ · Ḽ · Ḓ · Ṋ to the RfD, right? Jruderman (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong. These are mentioned at Circumflex#Diacritic_on_consonants, and the nomination does not apply to them. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Link to previous RfD (2010) — Jruderman (talk) 01:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Sufferin' succotash
[edit]- Sufferin' succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Suffering succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. People interested in reading about this character would be more likely to search for the character. There is no content about this phrase here, and Wikipedia is not a search engine for "who said this line". Utopes (talk / cont) 17:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep[Changed to retarget below]: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion; the italics was a retelling of my nomination statement, which in turn summarizes some past discussions about unmentioned "r from catchphrases" and "r from lyrics".
- I fully agree that a tool for searching a catchphrase in order to find the source is a great function, but it more suitable for open-ended search engines such as Google or Youtube which aggregate differently. Doing so on Wikipedia would only work for an exact title match of existing content, and nothing will appear in the built-in search engine for those without mentions in the article. To the Moon, Alice! is an example of a suitable r from catchphrase, as it's a phrase that receives a mention in the plot section as well as allusions in the legacy section (that is if this quote is a version of "bang zoom straight to the moon", which is the aspect discussed and referred to here). Utopes (talk / cont) 19:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- To push back on that a little, just because Google (or the Youtube site it operates) might usually do a better job of finding a subject doesn't mean a search string is not worth trying to have at all. Wikipedia is less spammy (among other considerations), and its search box sometimes leads to what you're looking for if no one deletes the redirect at (or similar to) the string you type. "Sufferin' succotash" is an extremely famous phrase for this character, and is only two words, so it wouldn't have a lot of variation in what people would type to look for it. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Questions: Would this nomination include Suffering succotash? Would a soft redirect of both to wikt:suffering succotash work? — AjaxSmack 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Broadcast Standards and Practices#Press Your Luck, which does a good job of explaining this phrase and who said it, and discusses a notable episode in its history. (This assumes that content is correct and will stay there – the discussion there is unsourced and not clearly relevant to Broadcast Standards and Practices.) BTW, the phrase is also mentioned in Yankee Dood It. The redirect shouldn't be deleted. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to favour search results. Its mention as an example in a game show would not be an appropriate target. Note that Succotash#In popular culture also could have been a target. In fact, the redirect was created in 2013 to target that page. Also I'm bundling suffering succotash per AjaxSmack. Jay 💬 09:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Chrysolith
[edit]Not mentioned at target in this specific spelling; is this as ambiguous as Chrysolite? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Googling for "Chrysolith" brings up the Olivine article, which states
Translucent olivine is sometimes used as a gemstone called peridot (péridot, the French word for olivine). It is also called chrysolite (or chrysolithe, from the Greek words for gold and stone), though this name is now rarely used in the English language.
. Mindat.org gives it asGerman synonym of: Chrysolite"
, it's entry for the latter isPredominantly used as a synonym for gem-quality olivine (see also peridot) but has also been used for prehnite and other green gem materials.
Our Chrysolite article is a disambig linking to Olivine and other "green or yellow-green-coloured gemstones". My first thought was the completely unrelated chrysalis, searching for "Chrysolith" butterfly does bring up a few people making the same mistake, but not as many or as prominently as I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)- Based on Thryduulf's research I would lean "keep", since it seems largely helpful (spelling chrysolite/chrysolithe/chrysolithos). Cremastra (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4, may I ask why you created this section? Did you notice a instance of this, or someone searching for this somewhere, or is this merely a hypothesis that someone might? Checking Google Trends, I see no Google searches for this term for the last five years. We shouldn't create redirects for typos we hypothesize as plausible searches (WP:RSWIKIOPINION?) if nobody actually ever searches for them. Mathglot (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Mathglot I don't understand your comment - 1234qwer1234qwer4 didn't create the redirect, that was El Cazangero in 2015 (they were blocked for copyvios a year later, not relevant to the creation of a redriect) who targetted it to Olivine. It was retargetted in 2020 to it's present target by Opera hat. All 1234... has done is nominate it for discussion. As for utility, the redirect got 80 hits between 1 January and 9 September this year and 64 last year, which is significantly more than nobody (it's also worth noting that your Google Trends search is limited to the United States). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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Jisan
[edit]- Jisan → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but there are Jisan station, Jisan Valley Rock Festival, Numbers_(South_Korean_TV_series)#Jisan_Bank and potentially others. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where she appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with moving the edit history as suggested with a retarget and then creating a disambiguation page if necessary. BOZ (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the values given -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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- I think with no modifiers, the D&D use probably does count as the WP:PTOPIC here, but I would support a hatnote to point to a disambiguation page with all the other uses. Fieari (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the D&D topic is anywhere near primary. It is not prominent in a basic Google search [12], only appearing once. Jisan Station and Jisan Forest appear more times. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: To hopefully make this smooher and achieve consensus, I moved the page history to Jisan (Al-Qadim) and retargeted it to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, and suggest that the remaining Jisan be turned into a disambiguation page. BOZ (talk) 16:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Palestine Israel
[edit]- Palestine Israel → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Israel Palestine → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Classic WP:XY. Delete. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I don't know that WP:XY fits here. Someone typing both Israel and Palestine into the search box, in whichever order, is almost certainly looking for information on the conflict. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but this seems like the appropriate target to me. Fieari (talk) 06:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Idk what it even means? Do we have any actual data on how many people use that as a search term? And then, if they do, where they go afterwards? Selfstudier (talk) 09:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Both were created too recently to have truly reliable usage figures, but they got 10 and 17 hits between creation on 22nd August and yesterday, which suggests that they are plausible search terms (but note that almost all redirects get above typical views in the first circa 2-4 days after creation (I guess due to new page patrolers and similar) and significantly more than typical views during and just after being listed at RfD). Everybody who views a redirect goes to the redirect target, I don't think that where they go after that is tracked and all such data that does exist is only released for large volumes of people and (iirc) aggregated by complete calendar month (all for privacy reasons) so wouldn't be useful here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Do the same as with #Palestine and Israel. I can't see any reason why people would be expecting different things with or without the "and". Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with that; the inclusion/exclusion of "and" makes all the difference. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- For reference, the linked discussion is at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Palestine and Israel and was closed as "disambiguate". Thryduulf (talk) 23:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (disclaimer: creator of both); same reasoning as Fieari and backed by data from Thryduulf; plus WP:XY does state that in some cases redirects should
point to a location in which both topics are discussed
. This is the closest to a perfect target we can get anyways. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both. Highly plausible search terms. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this is an example on WP:XY, search results would be better here as who knows what specific page they would be looking for. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- XY is not a reason to delete when we have content that deals with both X and Y (the combination, interaction or intersection), which we do in this case. When it's not clear which of multiple possible articles someone is looking for we use disambiguation and set indexes. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:XY. Israel is not Palestine, and Palestine is not Israel. The lack of any conjunctions separating the two words make these confusing redirects at best, harmful redirecting anywhere at worst. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete with or without the "and", I would assume that this topic refers to "Israel/Palestine", that is the entire land "between the river and the sea" sometimes called Israel, sometimes called Palestine, and sometimes called partly Israel and partly Palestine. The conflict is not an adequate redirect because it is merely one event that has taken place in this territory quite recently. (t · c) buidhe 01:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- That feels like an argument to redirect to Land of Israel or Palestine (region), and thus an argument to disambiguate. I can't see how you get to delete? Thryduulf (talk) 08:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Israel and Palestine, as we have a page for both. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Israel and Palestine per Thryduulf and Utopes. Seems a plausible enough search term. A7V2 (talk) 07:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
God of the New Testament
[edit]When the God of the Old Testament (also a recently created redirect) is contrasted with the God of the New Testament, this is not generally the sentiment being expressed. Certainly not attempting to start a trinitarian debate though -- ha. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The New Testament God is Greek and doesn't equate with the Hebrew Yahweh. Trinity is at odds with the Old Testament. Jesus is a better re-direct that the "Trinity."--Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Change target to Names and titles of God in the New Testament. Definitely not "keep", as either the Trinity or God the Father are more obvious synonyms than Jesus. Fram (talk) 08:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget, either as suggested by Fram (though that article is solely about naming) or to God in Christianity. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as suggested by Fram. At best the phrase is ambiguous, and "Jesus" is not usually described as "God" in the New Testament, but treated as a separate entity. P Aculeius (talk) 11:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I actually don't think we have a good target here. The nominator is correct that Jesus is not really an appropriate target. I don't think the target suggested by Fram is that helpful, as searchers would probably not be looking for information on the name of God IMO. My preference would be for a red link, because having an article about the concept of God in the New Testament specifically seems like a plausible article topic. (Rosbif73's suggestion of God in Christianity is a better target than the other two articles but still not my first preference). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is also New Testament theology. Surprisingly, we don't seem to have a lot of content on the topic of this redirect anywhere. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I considered that as a target as well, but that article is more about academic studies than discussing the theology per se. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Let's take a step back a moment and consider the context of these two phrases. In modern English discourse, when someone says "God of the Old Testament" they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to the concept of an angry vengeful god that actively destroys the wicked, or just anyone insufficiently respectful. When someone says "God of the New Testament", they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to a "peace and love", "hippie" style pacifist, non-interventionalist, forgiving god. Again, I'm not talking theology right now (if I was, I would vehemently disagree with both of the previous statements) I'm simply talking about what these phrases mean in the English language. Given that this is what the phrases mean, I think both links should go to an article that discusses these specific aspects or perceptions of god... I'm sure we have some, or should have some, given how extensively these topics have been discussed and written on by all manner of scholars. There may be more than one good target, in which case a disambiguation page might be appropriate. I think I would object to simply targeting Jesus or God in Christianity, as these don't really cover the plain meanings of how the phrases are used in English. I don't think we should delete, because this is a VERY plausible search term, and we DO have information on it... the problem is just pointing the user to the correct spots they are looking for. I don't have specific suggestions for where to go though, as... quite frankly, there's a lot. But the status quo doesn't seem right. Fieari (talk) 04:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Barney and Brothers
[edit]Evil Dead 4
[edit]- Evil Dead 4 → Evil Dead Rise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I think this redirect fits better for Evil Dead (2013 film). Thoughts? Mr slav999 (talk) 08:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 12:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Iweh Pascal Odinaka(Poco Lee)
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[edit]Amu TV
[edit]- Amu TV → Aligarh Muslim University (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Subject isn't even mentioned in the target article. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 04:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Amu Television. I don't know whether that's connected to the current target or not, but it's the only thing by this name currently mentioned on en.wp. Thryduulf (talk) 15:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget: The current target has no mention of "television" or "TV". AMU Television is the rightful target page. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 08:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Japanese opera
[edit]- Japanese opera → Theatre of Japan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Suggest deletion: the target article does not mention opera. The topic of Japanese opera is likely a notable one and this should be red link per WP:RED Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 07:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Noh. "Japanese opera" is a phrase used in that article. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Both Noh and the arguably more "operatic" Kabuki could plausibly be called "Japanese opera", and often have been: "Kabuki is Japan's opera. Dramatic storylines featuring sword-fights, ghosts, and love affairs are brought to life by gorgeously clothed performers." Theatre of Japan explains this well enough. A look through google suggests Japanese opera could only ever be a disam page, although there are some modern Western-style operas. Johnbod (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
God of the Old Testament
[edit]- God of the Old Testament → Yahweh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Recently created alongside God of the New Testament (also under discussion at RfD). I don't think that Yahweh is the best target, as it's hard to know if readers will be looking for the ancient interpretation as discussed in the current target or more contemporary ones. I suggest retargeting to God of Israel (a disambiguation page), which is a synonymous phrase IMO. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Andre🚐 01:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral Another target could be "Gods of Israel" (Elohim); however, my opinion is that the singular God of the Hebrew Bible worshipped therein is Yahweh.Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- If there's multiple potential targets, why not just target a disambiguation page? Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose since the definition of Yahweh (as used inside that article) is Ancient polytheistic god. tgeorgescu (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How's that an argument to have God of the Old Testament redirect there? Shouldn't God of the Old Testament really point to something later than God in Judaism? Since the Old Testament itself as we know it was probably an artifact from the monotheistic period. Andre🚐 23:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose I agree with @Presidentman: that God of Israel (the disambiguation page) is a much more logical target. 50.221.225.231 (talk) 06:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Santa Maria Beach
[edit]- Santa Maria Beach → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia in the context of GTA. There is, however, an article on a beach called Praia de Santa Maria, as well as content on some beaches located in places named Santa Maria, such as Santa_Maria,_Ilocos_Sur#Santa_Maria_Beach, Santa María del Mar District (Peru), Capo_Vaticano#Geography, Beach_cleaning#Cleanest_beaches, as well as some image captions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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Back O' Beyond
[edit]- Back O' Beyond → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
We don't seem to have content on this fictional location, and all search result on Wikipedia are passing mentions (of unrelated topics). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think we need a Back of beyond disambiguation page, linking to wikt:Back of beyond, Back of Beyond, The Back of Beyond, several mentions (a Caribbean film, a play), and similar terms like Boondocks, Black stump, Woop Woop. This would redirect there if there is enough to merit a dab entry. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to a new disambiguation page per Thryduulf -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters
[edit]- List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of characters in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no list at the target. The former page could be moved to characters in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (or Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters, if that is deleted beforehand) to preserve page history. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE: These two existing redirects were the result of WP:Articles for deletion/List of Grand Theft Auto III characters, as closed by non-administrator Buidhe, even though there was no actual consensus for that result, and the AFD should have been relisted and then only closed only by an administrator. In my opinion, given the popularity of GTA (I'm not a gamer but its one of the games I have heard about for decades), the article itself should probably be reinstated or there should be a DRV to that effect. Softlavender (talk) 06:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Non-admin closures are allowed, see WP:NAC. I'm sure at the time the closer made the correct decision, because even though I can't see the article I do know that usually video game character lists are poorly sourced, probably because not many independent secondary sources report on specifically characters from a game instead of the game itself. Buidhe was probably more convinced by the rationales to redirect then delete. With that said, should you want to overturn the close, try discussing with them first. mwwv converse∫edits 11:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what makes you think that you can't see the article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Me neither, in fact. mwwv converse∫edits 17:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what makes you think that you can't see the article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- FTR, if the article ends up reinstated, a bunch of the other GTA nominations (on this and the previous day's log) would probably need to be reconsidered with the option of retargeting to it in mind. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Non-admin closures are allowed, see WP:NAC. I'm sure at the time the closer made the correct decision, because even though I can't see the article I do know that usually video game character lists are poorly sourced, probably because not many independent secondary sources report on specifically characters from a game instead of the game itself. Buidhe was probably more convinced by the rationales to redirect then delete. With that said, should you want to overturn the close, try discussing with them first. mwwv converse∫edits 11:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete (as I think it should have been after its AfD). As 1234qwer1234qwer4 says, there is no list at the target, and only fleeting mentions of the characters. In any case, the article itself should absolutely not be restored; as I mentioned in the AfD, it was just a collection of plot information with virtually no reliable or significant coverage (and none available), failing WP:VGSCOPE. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The content was removed at AfD. There is no list at the target, so the title is misleading. That's all gn Utopes (talk / cont) 00:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Jizzy B.
[edit]- Jizzy B. → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target; not sure if the content we have at Charlie_Murphy_(actor)#Career is enough for a redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Not mentioned at target, no opinion on redirecting. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for noting this in this nomination as well. I would avoid bundling redirects with different availability of content though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete this and the others, not mentioned. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Ran Fa Li
[edit]- Ran Fa Li → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete this and the others, not mentioned. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Jimmy Hernandez
[edit]- Jimmy Hernandez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, though does occur at Community_Resources_Against_Street_Hoodlums#In_popular_culture and Carl_Johnson_(Grand_Theft_Auto)#Return_to_Los_Santos. There is an unrelated person at African_diaspora_in_Finland#Sportspeople and another one at Omar_Rodríguez-López#Startled_Calf_(1991–1992), however, so I'm not sure this redirect is appropriate without further disambiguation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Zero (Grand Theft Auto)
[edit]- Zero (Grand Theft Auto) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and a bit difficult to immediately see whether we have any content on this one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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B-Dup
[edit]- B-Dup → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Only content on this character on the English Wikipedia seems to be The_Game_(rapper)#Other_ventures, which provides no in-universe information. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Non-notable character not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 04:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The fate of this and other related character redirects may be influenced by the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Lance Wilson
[edit]- Lance Wilson → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lance "Ryder" Wilson → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Three unrelated people are mentioned at Withcott#History, I_Go_Back#Content, and 1990_Texas_Longhorns_football_team#Personnel (as well as some mentions of a Lance Wilson-White). 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - His name appears in the game's credits, which is enough proof that such a character is notable in its own way. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- RfD is not a place to discuss notability but to determine whether redirects are helpful, which is not the case when their target provides no information on their topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Non-notable character not mentioned at target, which makes the redirect misleading. It doesn't matter that they appear in the credits if we imply there will be info at a location where there is not. Hey man im josh (talk) 04:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to I Go Back, which prominently mentions a different person by this name several times and gives a reason why people might be searching for information about them ("One version of the official music video ends with the note: "In memory of Lance Wilson and all the summers I shared with him"."). There is also an American footballer with this name who gets a couple of entries in lists but nothing in depth. Thryduulf (talk) 10:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably your comment should only apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I don't know if the second was added after my comment or I just didn't spot it, but my comment relates only to "Lance Wilson". Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably your comment should only apply to the former redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Johnny Sindacco
[edit]- Johnny Sindacco → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only mention on the English Wikipedia appears to be Casey_Siemaszko#Video_games, which does not provide any in-universe information. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Didier Sachs
[edit]- Didier Sachs → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Didier Sachs is an in-universe clothing brand, not a character, so the other RfD should have no impact on this one. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris
[edit]- Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Melvin Harris (character) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Melvin Harris (Grand Theft Auto) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of the content mentioning "Melvin Harris" on the English Wikipedia seems to be about this character. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep His name is mentioned in the game's credits. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 01:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How does that help a reader find any content on it (or find out that we don't have what they are looking for), though? 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't it enough that the game mentions his name without having to read it? There's also the game's booklet. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Without having to read what? If you think this merits a mention in the article, then go ahead, but in the current state a reader will be directed to an article where they won't find what they are looking for, which is information on the topic of their search term. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't it enough that the game mentions his name without having to read it? There's also the game's booklet. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 02:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- How does that help a reader find any content on it (or find out that we don't have what they are looking for), though? 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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T Bone Mendez
[edit]- T Bone Mendez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- T-Bone Mendez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target; appears at the T-Bone disambiguation page and is linked from Frost_(rapper)#Career, where the only information is that Frost was the voice actor for this character, but no in-universe content. Not sure if this warrants a retarget. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Colleges Against Cancer
[edit]- Colleges Against Cancer → American Cancer Society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but occurs in the lead of American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network (from where it is also linked though). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It was mentioned in the lead of the affiliate, but not in the article body. I moved it down to a section. May be retargeted, and unlinked there. Jay 💬 12:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Seems sensible to me. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament
[edit]- 2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament → NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The men's tournament is scheduled to be there. I'm happy to withdraw if it is shown that the women's tournament is also set in the same place. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There's no relevant information at the target, except that it's apparently scheduled to take place at a specific stadium, which is unsourced. I think this is too far in the future with too little information at the target to be useful. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is a case of no sourcing at the target, not a redirect concern. Agree that there is no information other than the stadium name. Jay 💬 18:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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F. Fitzgerald
[edit]- F. Fitzgerald → F. Scott Fitzgerald (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Or redirect to FitzGerald (surname). jnestorius(talk) 02:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone entering this title is probably looking for F. Scott Fitzgerald, but the omission doesn't seem to have affinity (AFAICT he was never referred to as "F. Fitzgerald"). If you search for "F. Fitzgerald", F. Scott Fitzgerald is the first result, so the redirect doesn't have much navigational value either. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Kablammo (talk) 09:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very clearly the primary topic, and there are hatnotes to others who might be searched for. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Very clearly not the primary topic in Ireland, where the name FitzGerald originates. There is currently no hatnote for F. Fitzgerald on the F. Scott Fitzgerald article. One would need to add F. Fitzgerald (disambiguation) as a redirect to Fitzgerald (surname)#F in order to pick up Fern Fitzgerald and Frances FitzGerald (disambiguation). I would oppose any such hatnote as it would clutter the article and invite the inference that "F. Fitzgerald" is a reasonably common way to refer to "F. Scott Fitzgerald" as opposed to a very rare way. jnestorius(talk) 21:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thruduulf. It does not lack affinity, by the way, as excluding a middle name is a reasonable thing to do in many cases. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: Affinity applies to things like a period at the end of a title, being in quotes, etc. In other words, an error that could apply to almost absolutely any title. A title without a middle name only applies to names, and furthermore only names including a middle name. It is always reasonable to leave out a middle name for a redirect, as long as there is no ambiguity in what's covered (or there is a primary topic as in this case). I would support that every single time. I would not support every single title having a redirect from that title in quotes or with a full stop at the end and so forth. Affinity is in regard to much broader variants, not specific ones like this. This situation clearly does not apply to every title (or a vastly broad enough swath of titles). Even if it did, it would still be appropriate all the time, rendering affinity double moot. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Does seem to be occasionally used in product listings and non-RS. If there were usage of the term to refer to anyone else, that low-quality usage wouldn't be weighted very strongly, but the only search results I see are spurious ones about John F. Fitzgerald. (The sources still write out the entirety of "John F. Fitzgerald"; Google just includes them because the substring matches.) Limited usage trumps no usage, so keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius(talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Ms F. Fitzgerald", references to Frances Fitzgerald (politician) in Dáil proceedings jnestorius(talk) 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius(talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added Fionn Fitzgerald (born 1990), Irish football player, to the surname page. BD2412 T 21:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Fitzgerald (surname) per nom. Multiple Fitzgeralds with 'F' firstnames. Jay 💬 10:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, F. Scott is the primary topic but some readers may forget the 'Scott' so this redirect acts as a memory aid. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to FitzGerald (surname) per nom. Like jnestorius, I am concerned about this redirect giving the impression that it's an established alternative name for the writer. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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Strawman (literal)
[edit]- Strawman (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Straw man (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
weird case, this one. results are torn between every possible thing that can be and is referred to as a literal straw man (from scarecrows to straw men to straw man), and also donald trump. straw man (literal) was seemingly accidentally moved by a bot to avoid a double redirect, though its talk page still redirects to the dummy. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Straw man (disambiguation) is my first thought, and that does include a link to scarecrow (disambiguation). Treat it as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- seems good, i support retargeting it to straw man (disambiguation) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete because the disambiguator makes no sense in terms on what available subjects are currently on Wikipedia. Steel1943 (talk) 14:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)- Eh? It's an entirely plausible disambiguator for multiple topics things that are literally made of straw, including Straw man (dummy) and Scarecrow, that would be used by someone who doesn't want the rhetorical use but doesn't know there is more than one literal usage. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument to me. That, and the whole concept of "rhetorical" vs. "literal" is incredibly subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to sound repetitive but this comment again makes me go "eh?" - I don't understand how OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is at all relevant here? We have a plausible search term that people are apparently using but which could refer to multiple different articles. When that happens we disambiguate because multiple articles exist. What is rhetorical and literal is not subjective in this case - either something is a man made that is literally made of straw or it isn't. Someone using this search term knows they don't want the article about the type of argument or other figurative uses but they don't know that we have articles about multiple things that meet that description - and they should not be required to know that before being able to find the article they want. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument to me. That, and the whole concept of "rhetorical" vs. "literal" is incredibly subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Straw man (dummy) per Tavix's findings. That works. Steel1943 (talk) 00:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh? It's an entirely plausible disambiguator for multiple topics things that are literally made of straw, including Straw man (dummy) and Scarecrow, that would be used by someone who doesn't want the rhetorical use but doesn't know there is more than one literal usage. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Straw man (dummy), noting that this was the disambiguator used for that article from 2006–2008. -- Tavix (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's better than deletion, but still inferior to the disambiguation page as there are multiple types of literal straw man and I see no evidence for a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nah, per the article a scarecrow is a type of strawman. It's better to target the broader article. -- Tavix (talk) 21:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's better than deletion, but still inferior to the disambiguation page as there are multiple types of literal straw man and I see no evidence for a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- Redirect to Straw man (disambiguation) I am concerned about the accuracy of a redirect to Straw man (dummy). Our article on the logical fallacy of the same name states "The term's origins are a matter of debate, though the usage of the term in rhetoric suggests a human figure made of straw that is easy to knock down or destroy—such as a military training dummy, scarecrow, or effigy."
- Straw man, even discounting the logical fallacy is used vaguely to refer to many literal topics. (You could even argue that the most literal interpretation of "straw man" is a man made of straws)
- Whatever the reader is looking for by this ambiguous disambiguator, they'll find it in the DAB page. Ca talk to me! 16:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to straw man (dummy) per Tavix. The broad-topic article that includes scarecrow is more useful and precies than the disambiguation, since the latter includes many non-literal straw men. Cremastra (talk) 15:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Straw man (dummy) per Tavix and Cremastra. Nothing else on Straw man (disambiguation) would be a "literal" strawman I don't think, and this dab page is linked to in the hatnote of Straw man (dummy) anyway. A7V2 (talk) 07:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
🆥
[edit]I have no idea what this Unicode character is supposed to mean or how it's supposed to be related to the concept of data. Apparently this is U+1F1A5, which per https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1F1A5 is a "Squared Latin Small Letter D". Possible other targets for this redirect include D, wikt:🆥, and Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement (the Unicode block the character is in). Duckmather (talk) 21:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – most of the hits I get are about Vitamin D, which suggests it is highly ambiguous at best. Cremastra (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement links to this PDF which originally proposed the encoding of these TV-related characters. I doubt it has anything to do with Vitamin D as suggested above, but the document does not make the exact meaning of this symbol clear either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I expect it is more that it is sometimes, for whatever, reason, used as a cool-looking symbol for Vitamin D rather than "officially" being connected. Cremastra (talk) 02:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Gorobay: Have you been editing these days? I recall you were the editor I asked questions to about such subject matter. If so, you have any thoughts on this? Steel1943 (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- This character is part of a range of symbols in Unicode derived from ARIB STD-B62 related to TV broadcasting technologies. According to this translation, it represents data broadcasting, which would be a more pertinent target than the current target Data. It might also be okay to redirect it to its Unicode block’s page, though I don’t think that is as helpful. Vitamin D is a red herring and not relevant to this discussion: searching for the character on Google brings up results about vitamin D only because Google normalizes “🆥” to “d”, and searching for “d” also brings up results about vitamin D. Gorobay (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement, where it will provide information on what the f this character is. At that location, I suggest the meaning of "data broadcasting" be explained, and we can link to that article there, in order to serve the admittedly unlikely possibility of someone already knowing the meaning of the symbol and wanting to get to that article. Far more likely, anyone searching for this stumbled across it in the unicode character map or stumbled across someone using it randomly, and wondering what it is. The unicode block page will provide the information said searcher is looking for. Fieari (talk) 05:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Data broadcasting or, failing that, Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement. Enix150 (talk) 01:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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Punk rock opera
[edit]- Punk rock opera → Rock opera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Punk opera → Rock opera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Brief mention in relation to a particular work, but the genre itself is not described within the article. Any thoughts or better target suggestions? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 00:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I googled it, and all the results are for punk rock opera, and not punk opera for some reason. See this: https://www.treblezine.com/24712-10-essential-punk-rock-operas/
- Perhaps we change the name to punk rock opera? Moline1 (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- A move without redirect to punk rock opera would certainly be possible on the technical side; however, that title has existed since 2007 (just looked). However, that (sub)genre does not seem to be covered explicitly at the current target either. At the end of the day, an important question remains: Are we directing readers to a place that sufficiently covers what they are looking for? If either 'punk opera' or 'punk rock opera' are synonymous enough with 'rock opera', that may not be a problem. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closer/Relister - Please relist and merge Punk rock opera into this discussion. Thanks, — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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- @Moline1: What name would you like to change to punk rock opera? @Godsy: Which page would you like to move without redirect to punk rock opera? Jay 💬 17:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Jay:
A move without redirect to punk rock opera would certainly be possible on the technical side; however, that title has existed since 2007 (just looked).
I have no suggestions at this time. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 18:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Jay:
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Keimu
[edit]Redirected at AfD, but the target does not mention this and the search results for this on the English Wikipedia appear to be unrelated. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the AfD in question Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keimu from January 2020 is worth reading for context. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:RFOR Fieari (talk) 05:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because it is unclear whether this word means a black leopard or a black Asian golden cat or just a black cat. The user who once created this page, referred to only one newspaper article mentioning this word. So I think the WP:Notability of this page is questionable. – BhagyaMani (talk) 08:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
List of bards
[edit]- List of bards → List of oral repositories (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems like an inaccurate redirect? Not all bards are oral repositories as defined by that article, nor does it seem likely to me that all oral repositories can be described as "bards". asilvering (talk) 09:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Asilvering I can see where you’re coming from, however this is part of a wider issue with the title. There’s no general term in common use to describe the roles of bards, griots, imusnawen etc. I had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find sources describing them generally as oral repositories. In some cases bard or troubadour is used as a definition for these terms, see here [13] [14] [15] [16]. The page could be moved to List of bards however I think that’d be inappropriate since you’d expect that list to contain a list of individuals who were historically bard, and the bard article does not take into account the broad usage of the term. I think a redirect makes the most sense, since people are very unlikely to Google list of oral repositories, but they might Google list of bards when looking for this, and also like you said there are roles here that are too specific to be termed bard. Kowal2701 (talk) 10:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- On the point of lots of those listed aren’t necessarily bards, if you were going to make a List of musicians, and found there was insufficient material or the divisions were hard to draw because some musicians play multiple instruments, you’d have List of cellists and List of pianists as redirects. For this reason I think List of oral poets should also be a redirect, and possibly List of oral historians Kowal2701 (talk) 13:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because we just do not seem to have such a comprehensive list. WP:REDYES may apply. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Kowal2701. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- See articles such as Ashik, Bhāts, Charan, or Makar which use bard as a general term Kowal2701 (talk) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Great Fray
[edit]- Great Fray → Super Smash Bros. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Great fray smash brothers → Super Smash Bros. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Shortened form of a literal translation of original Japanese name; very unlikely search term. ArcticSeeress (talk) 17:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Bundling these two for convenience. Fieari (talk) 23:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I can't help but see this as implausible. Basically no one uses this literal translation of the Japanese name, 5 hits in a year notwithstanding. WP:RFOR would allow for the exact Japanese name (in kana, kanji, and various romanization systems) but this literal translation of the name seems a step too far removed. It reminds me of that silly game where you use machine translation back and forth between languages a bunch of times to get something nonsensical. Fieari (talk) 23:26, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The literal translation of the original Japanese name does not seem implausible. As Fierari notes, it does receive hits. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- The trouble I have is that there's far more than one way to literally translate 大乱闘. Great Fray is not near the top of my list for how I'd translate it! You could also translate it as "Great Melee", or "Big Brawl" or "Massive Battle" or "Large Fight" or "Huge Rumble" or "Major Clash"... any one of those could be considered a literal translation. Why redirect "Great Fray" over any of the others? Fieari (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Fieari. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Reports of black cougars in the United States
[edit]- Reports of black cougars in the United States → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black cougars in the United States of America → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black cougars in the US → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black cougars in the USA → Black panther#Reports of "black panthers" in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reports of black panthers in Australia → Black panther#Reports of black panthers in Australia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only mention of something resembling this on the English Wikipedia that I could find is Piney_Woods#Folklore, but I'm not sure if this is the only thing a reader could be looking for (and that only applies to the USA redirects). 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- 1234qwer1234qwer4, apparently the former was essentially blanked by a vandal back in 2012, and never restored. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nice catch, @Qwerfjkl. Apparently the section on cougars (cf. Black cougar) was also recently unilaterally removed by @BhagyaMani, who might want to comment here. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was just playing around with w:de:Benutzer:Schnark/js/artikel-statistik on the article and happened to notice it. — Qwerfjkltalk 16:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I did. At the time, I did not find any WP:RS about black cougar being called black panther, nor any better source than the one referenced in this section stating that
there is no authenticated
record. BhagyaMani (talk) 18:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- BhagyaMani, not particularly reliable, but there's https://fishgame.com/2020/01/black-cougars-dont-exist/ which suggests there is some mix-up here. The section seems to be about actual black cougars, rather than the misidentification of black panthers as such. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nice catch, @Qwerfjkl. Apparently the section on cougars (cf. Black cougar) was also recently unilaterally removed by @BhagyaMani, who might want to comment here. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and restore the section. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Disflation
[edit]Retarget to or disambigate with Disinflation. This term has become more common since 2007. It has probably become the primary topic to anyone searching. The current target doesn't mention this outside of a hatnote, and might cause readers to confuse the two terms. 174.89.12.36 (talk) 20:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Disinflation. The lede paragraph of that article already disambiguates well enough, linking to inflation and deflation along with a brief sentence or so of guidance for each, just as a DAB would provide. And I agree, this is the likely target that the searcher is looking for anyway. Fieari (talk) 05:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since ambiguous misspellings are not usually awarded disambiguation pages, and this is no exception. Steel1943 (talk) 02:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Murloc
[edit]- Murloc → Thrall (Warcraft)#Warcraft III (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not discussed at target with sufficient substance to warrant a redirect - the target section makes one passing mention with no context, leaving anyone who isn't a Warcraft fan more confused than they were before. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would The Murlocs be a viable target? Also, you might want to consider adding Murlocs in this RfD. --Lenticel (talk) 06:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine for Murlocs, and I've boldly retargeted it there rather than adding it to this discussion. I think it's too far off for the singular Murloc to be plausible, but definitely a better target than the current one. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games. The fictional creature was already listed there, but I went ahead and added a reference. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Do nothing until the AfD concludes. Until we know the outcome of the AfD it's not worth spending any effort evaluating whether we should point this redirect there or not. Thryduulf (talk) 18:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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Self-torque
[edit]weird case, this one. "self-torque" seems to refer to 3 different things (one being a band), none inherently related to light, though one can be a property of it... but also of seemingly any wave. the term isn't mentioned in the target either. "self aligning torque" seems to be the term this was referring to, but it's also not inherently related to light (if at all). does anyone know what could be done here? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Never heard of this in the context of light. Constant314 (talk) 18:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect is not used in any article. Probably should be deleted. Constant314 (talk) 18:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm not familiar with the concept of self-torque enough to be able to help point to the correct target, but I would like to remind Constant314 that catching links from within articles on Wikipedia is not the primary purpose of redirects, and a redirect having NO links to it on wikipedia is not a valid reason to delete that redirect. The primary purpose of a redirect is to assist users to find what they are looking for, such as when they type it into the search bar... which they would do if they saw the term in a textbook or similar source and wanted to know more about what it is. This is almost certainly a valid thing to search for, the question is simply where it should point in order to help provide that information. Fieari (talk) 00:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Mike Oxbig
[edit]- Mike Oxbig → List of Guggenheim Fellowships awarded in 2006 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect of a person, not mentioned on target page. Blethering Scot 17:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- also uh, it's clearly vandalism. Like saying the name out loud makes it sound innapropriate. its a common gag name. Gaismagorm (talk) 18:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- so yeah delete Gaismagorm (talk) 18:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- actually, scratch that. redirect to Gag name Gaismagorm (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- so yeah delete Gaismagorm (talk) 18:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should maybe start reading names aloud. Support the above suggestion.Blethering Scot 19:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect Gag name as similar to Mike Oxlong. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 23:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gag name. "Mike Oxlong" is mentioned there, and this is plenty close enough to that. Fieari (talk) 05:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
2005-Cracker Barrell
[edit]- 2005-Cracker Barrell → Cracker Barrel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, there's a misspelling of Barrel and 2005 has no significance to Cracker Barrel. -- Tavix (talk) 14:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- 2024-Delete because I have no idea what's going on here per nom. The edit history of the redirect doesn't help clarify the intent either. Steel1943 (talk) 23:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above unless someone give a good justification and explanation. Cracker Barrell is absolutely a plausible misspelling, but the "2005-" prefix is perplexing. I tried googling the exact phrase, but the most relevant search results were people who worked at or visited Cracker Barrel in 2005. Thryduulf (talk) 00:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- This was created as an article about an (almost certainly non-notable) album by Sara Evans apparently created by/for the company [17], which definitely existed [18]. The title is still a bit of a mystery and given the stub article was completely unreferenced I think can be safely deleted, but I am not opposed to restoring if others feel that is necessary. A7V2 (talk) 08:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
The Marshall Mathers LP 3
[edit]- The Marshall Mathers LP 3 → Eminem albums discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No album with this name, nor has it been announced or discussed in reliable sources. Not a plausible search term, and honestly borderline WP:NOTCRYSTAL. JeffSpaceman (talk) 13:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
F-duction
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Appears in the Index of genetics articles (despite being a redirect, though the page also contains a bunch of redlinks), and is mentioned in the article about Edward A. Adelberg, who apparently discovered this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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- This a synonym to sexduction and, as far as I can tell, just an outdated way of referring to bacterial conjugation. Sexduction itself is a redirect to bacterial conjugation and is also not mentioned in that article. Maybe retarget to Bacterial conjugation and tag with {{R from alternative name}} ― Synpath 15:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Buccal organ
[edit]- Buccal organ → Sucker (zoology) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Buccal organs → Sucker (zoology) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"buccal" in this context means "of, in, or relating to the mouth". i hear there is at least one other organ that can be in the average mouth, that not every mouth has or is a sucker, and that suckers are not the primary topic for this term. no idea what this could be retargeted to, aside from mouth cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the first hit on google for me is Rohde 1979
Light and electron microscopic studies of the ‘buccal suckers’ of Gotocotyla secunda showed that they are complex structures with muscular, glandular, (resorptive?), and probably sensory components. The name ‘buccal organ’ is therefore proposed for them.
which clearly equates them with suckers. Looking further though I've rapidly become out of my depth in jargon so I can't answer the only relevant question in the nomination - "is the target the primary topic for this term". I'm going to leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anatomy and hope that project is more active than the talk page makes it seem. Thryduulf (talk) 00:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)- Also worthy of note is that this was originally a two-sentence stub starting
Buccal organs, also known as bucal suckers, are present in worm parasites of the order Mazocraeidea.
, it was then redirected to Sucker (parasitic worm anatomy) which was merged to the present target in February 2014 by Chhandama. Thryduulf (talk) 00:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC) - went and did some more in-depth looking at those results, and they equated the term "buccal organ" with "organ of, in, or relating to the mouth". buccal suckers are buccal organs by this definition, but so are teeth, tongues, and lips cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also worthy of note is that this was originally a two-sentence stub starting
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International Wrestling Hall of Fame
[edit]- International Wrestling Hall of Fame → National Wrestling Hall of Fame and Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While it is true that the International and U.S. Hall of Fames for amateur wrestling are in the same area, there is nothing more than a passing mention in the U.S. Hall of Fame's article. If possible, restore the original redirect at United World Wrestling. Sekundenlang (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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Stage 1 Pokémon
[edit]- Stage 1 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 1 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to evolutionary stages. as an example, popplio is stage 1, brionne is stage 2, and primarina is... why is there no stage 3 redirect? the terminology is sort of mentioned in the target (under breeding), but not in a way that would help those redirects cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Pokémon Trading Card Game#Card types as the only Pokémon-based subject where I believe this terminology is used. Steel1943 (talk) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Changing my stance to "weak" after locating (and remembering) the discussion I found below. Steel1943 (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- "used" it is. relatively commonly, for that matter. it's just in that weird limbo of not being properly mentioned outside of the tcg, and not well-covered enough to warrant being mentioned in depth. a lot of pokémon-related stuff falls in that limbo, it's painful cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 3#List of Pokemon by Stage, a discussion I found while researching why these nominated redirects existed, may be relevant ... which, ironically, is a discussion I opened in 2019 that I completely forgot about until now. Steel1943 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete all. Wherever we point these on wikipedia, they won't help anyone much. They'd be better off at Bulbapedia. We may as well remove them -- asilvering (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Rome City
[edit]Rome City, Indiana is far from the primary topic even of the exact capitalization of "Rome City". If "Rome City" has a primary topic, it is Rome, Italy. Redirecting it to Rome (disambiguation) is also a possible solution. John Smith Ri (talk) 05:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:SMALLDETAILS. "Rome City" is not "Rome." There is already a hatnote to avoid the potential confusion that the nominator mentions. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep similar to Ipswich/Ipswich Town, see User:Crouch, Swale/Called v is and where I doubt that the capital would be searched using "Rome City" though Google in quotes does mainly return the capital. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:SMALLDETAILS. Cremastra (talk) 19:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above --Lenticel (talk) 02:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Meth King
[edit]- Meth King → Walter White (Breaking Bad) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I honestly do not believe that there is a primary topic for this term. Hog Farm Talk 04:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- REtarget to drug lord -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
New Hampster
[edit]- New Hampster → New Hampshire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Silly redirect, probably created as a joke. Low number of pageviews (21 average per year since 2020), and it's unknown how many of them were actually looking for New Hampshire. Batrachoseps (talk) 03:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment could it be a children's term for the name? Preschoolers tend to make replacement names using more common terms, and keep using it -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sounds like a plausible mondegreen. I don't know where else this could refer to. Ca talk to me! 04:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I've heard adults accidentally say it this way and kids intentionally say it this way. Don't see any reason to delete. Skynxnex (talk) 14:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The term definitely does get used. Cooljeanius (talk) (contribs) 16:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep occasional pageviews and unambiguous. Cremastra (talk) 19:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Becton dickenson
[edit]- Becton dickenson → BD (company) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misspelling, miscapitalization, AND a shorter name, all in one. Seems implausible? asilvering (talk) 03:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The company is widely known as "Beckton Dickinson" so there is no issue at all with the length. All lowercase is almost always going to be a plausible search term, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be in this case. That leaves only the misspelling and Google results show that this is a common one - almost certainly given that it's a very plausible phonetic spelling. Putting it all together I'm seeing no reason to delete (it was only created today so there are no page view statistics). Note that this spelling is also currently in the lead of the article, but it was added by the redirect creator at about the same time. Thryduulf (talk) 03:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- This was my edit. I ran across the company in a news article that called it "Becton Dickenson", looked it up here, and didn't find a match. I quickly realized BD is the same thing and so created the redirect and added the alternate term to the intro. Brad (talk) 16:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association
[edit]- Subcarpathian Polish Athletic Association → Polish Athletic Association (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Only hit on google is MOSiR Stadium (Stalowa Wola). Cremastra (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, refers to this organization: Subcarpathia: Polish Athletics Association. It seems to be a literal translation --Habst (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No mention of Subcarpathia at target. The organization mentioned by Habst seems to be a subsidiary organization of the Polish Athletic Association specifically for the region, but the redirect isn't useful if we have no information on it. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Presidentman, how about adding a list of regional organizations to the Polish Athletic Association article? --Habst (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy with keeping if information is added. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Presidentman, how about adding a list of regional organizations to the Polish Athletic Association article? --Habst (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
U.S. Mahayana
[edit]- Mahayana US → New York Mahayana Temples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mahayana U.S. → New York Mahayana Temples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mahayana Buddhism U.S. → New York Mahayana Temples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mahayana Buddhism US → New York Mahayana Temples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- US Mahayana → New York Mahayana Temples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- U.S. Mahayana → New York Mahayana Temples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The U.S. is bigger than New York. Propose retargetting to List of Buddhist temples in the United States. Cremastra (talk) 00:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep As far as I can tell this is the only target that discusses Mahayana Buddhism in the United States, the Mahayana Temple organisation certainly has no presence outside that state. Thryduulf (talk) 03:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep For the same reason that User:Thryduulf just outlined above. New York's temple organization is the predominant target. Best, Castncoot (talk) 04:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alternative target: Buddhism in the United States. Cremastra (talk) 19:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- That also does not discuss Mahayana Buddhism in the United States. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Bulbagarden
[edit]Redirect to a section that doesn't exist. In fact, the article doesn't mention Bulbagarden at all, and given that Bulbagarden is just an unofficial fansite I don't see why this has to redirect to the main article on the franchise. This should be deleted. 50.29.218.72 (talk) 23:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add to article. I found an interview with the site's staff in Nintendo Force magazine. This, while not enough for a standalone article, is certainly enough to mention it in the Pokemon article in a sentence or two. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Squeezel
[edit]created as the "vietnamese word for porcupine". if wiktionary is to be trusted, it's not cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Please don't forget to notify the creator of the redirect. I've done that now. CycloneYoris talk! 19:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- oh, they're still active. neat. thanks cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was this.
- It appears to be from something from Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations [19][20]. So that at least explains it, and I don't see it sreferring to anything else. There is a mention (with a different spelling) at Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations#Vietnam, so I would suggest retargetting there; since it links to the correct species (the Malayan porcupine). Cremastra (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. -Kaz (talk) 00:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move to squeasel and retarget to the program. We don't know if it's a term at all, as the episode summaries are all unsourced. deviantart says
Squeasel, [is] a hybrid of a squirrel and a weasel
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The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told
[edit]- The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told → Sholay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems both too long and incredibly specific to the point where I can't see it being used. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 12:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sholay is likely the most popular Indian film ever, and everything from its marketing taglines to dialogues to even the names of minor characters are familiar with everyday people (the FA is pretty indepth about this). It includes this as well. Gotitbro (talk) 12:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Gotitbro. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While I would tend to agree with the nom, it's too new to tell. If it's useful, it will be used. Time will tell and the stats will reflect whether it's useful or not. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ambiguous with The Greatest Story Ever Told, and therefore misleading. CycloneYoris talk! 00:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @CycloneYoris: My understanding is this was a tagline used, but I don't see the greatest star cast ever being ambiguous with The Greatest Story Ever Told. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless, it needs to be deleted due to the spacing error before the hyphen (as per Jay below), and I would support keeping if someone moves it to the correctly spaced title. CycloneYoris talk! 08:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also note the redirects created by the same creator on the same day. But the nominated one does have a problem with no space before the hyphen.
- The greatest star cast ever assembled
- The Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled
- The Greatest Story Ever Told (Sholay)
- Greatest Story Ever Told (Sholay)
- The Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled The Greatest Story Ever Told
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled The Greatest Story Ever Told
- Greatest Star Cast Ever Assembled Greatest Story Ever Told
- Jay 💬 06:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
But the nominated one does have a problem with no space before the hyphen.
- That is how it is exactly quoted in the article though. Gotitbro (talk) 18:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not. Delete because of the mistake. There are several other redirects that may be used in the place of this one. Jay 💬 15:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- does this count as blatantly and overly promotional? this is the only example i could find of a tagline being a redirect (where's a superhero movie with a mind of its own for megamind?). if it counts, then delete all per that. if it doesn't, then delete all as vague instead, since results for both of those sentences mostly gave me top whatever many "greatest x" lists cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Megamind is/was never a cultural zeitgeist/milestone for American cinema or popular culture, unlike Sholay for Indian cinema. You only need search a bit and see what you have:
- Who you gonna call?
- With great power comes great responsibility
- You'll believe a man can fly
- Why So Serious
- This Time It's Personal
- Just When You Thought It Was Safe to Go Back in the Water
- Houston, we have a problem
- His whole life was a million to one shot
- Be Afraid - Be Very Afraid
- In space, no-one can hear you scream
- A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
- The Fairest of Them All
- Sister, sister, oh so fair, why is there blood all over your hair?
- The horror the horror
- Whoever wins we lose
- Live. Die. Repeat.
- Welcome to the suck
- One ring to rule them all
- There's no place like home!
- Keep the change, ya filthy animal
- Size does matter
- When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth
- Pray for Rosemary's Baby
- I Changed My Sex
- She Who Must Be Obeyed
- Life is a Cabaret
- How far does a girl have to go to untangle her tingle?
- Where were you in '62?
- The night he came home
- They're here
- They're here, already! You're next! You're next!
- Leisure Rules
- There can be only one
- Die Harder
- Life is like a box of chocolates
- And I don't see how this redirect is any different from any of these, to specifically consider a CfD only here. Neither do I see the point of it being vague (especially for the construction CfD'd here) when the nom's rationale itself is "too long and incredibly specific". Gotitbro (talk) 17:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: This absolutely does not count as blatant/overly promotional because of the context and relevance. You're welcome to vote how you like, but as Gotitbro mentions, these types of tag lines being created is not unusual. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Megamind is/was never a cultural zeitgeist/milestone for American cinema or popular culture, unlike Sholay for Indian cinema. You only need search a bit and see what you have:
- Delete: Per nom, also delete all the redirects mentioned by Jay. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 13:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- on second thought, delete as just plain ol' malformed cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Gotitbro. Cremastra (talk) 00:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
[edit]- Children's games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Children's Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens' games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I was originally considering WP:BOLDly retargeting these redirects to disambiguation page Children's toys and games to allow readers to determine which page they were intending to find if they searched these terms (the current target is listed at Children's toys and games), but ... the existence of Children's Games (Bruegel) complicates that due to WP:DIFFCAPS. I'm still believing that these redirects should be retargeted to Children's toys and games, but I'm not sure if Children's Games (Bruegel) should be moved to Children's Games per both WP:DIFFCAPS and since ... retargeting Children's Games to Children's toys and games and then listing Children's Games (Bruegel) in the "See also" section seems to both be odd and have no precedence. Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move Children's Games (Bruegel) to Children's Games, then retarget all to Children's Games, and then add hatnote to List of children's games. I think the painting here should be the primary topic here as it has this specific name, while "List of children's games" is more general and has a few different aliases that mean the same thing (eg. Playground games, Folk games, etc). BugGhost🦗👻 13:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's okay to handle the upper-case and lower-case versions differently, per WP:DIFFCAPS. Retarget the lower-case versions to Children's toys and games per nom as ambiguous. Disambiguate Children's Games between Children's toys and games, Children's Games (Bruegel), and International Children's Games. Retarget Childrens Games to the new disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 17:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep all, I like the status quo. Anyone searching for "children's games" with any capitalization is almost surely looking for the general topic, which the current target provides. On the off-chance they're looking for the painting, the hatnote provides it. The gendered articles in Children's toys and games seem to focus primarily on toys, but I've added it to the see also. -- Tavix (talk) 01:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Formicapunk
[edit]Well, excuse me!
[edit]- Well, excuse me! → Steve Martin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Was originally going to WP:BOLDly retarget this to Let's Get Small as the album from the current target which this phrase is most associated, but then I remembered ... people looking up this phrase could reasonably be trying to find The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!#Premise where a version of the subject of the article Link (The Legend of Zelda) is notable for saying "Well, excuse me, princess!" and since Well excuse me princess redirects there. Seems like a case of "disambiguate" or "retarget" and I'm not sure which, even with the fact that this redirect is a partial match for the Link phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Was thinking about nominating this one too, also while having "well excuse me princess" on my mind.
- As the inclusion of the word "well" is never mentioned in any context preceding the title "Excuse Me" in the album, I'd prefer to delete this, but a retarget is better than a keep. Retargeting brings this title closer to its potential context (moreso than a general pass towards the person that presumably said the phrase), but without any mention of the "well" bit, there's no indication in the article that people would search for this instead of Excuse Me (the song on the album; the song, which does not appear on the Excuse Me disambiguation page). It does not seem necessary to target this title to Excuse Me either. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- dabify or add all redirects missing the word "princess" to "excuse me" per 50% of what steel said, but also per "well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess"
- wait, no, wrong quote, i mean "that's only barely uncommon enough to probably warrant the dab" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Let's Get Small as originally considered. That seems like a pretty good approach, as it explains the evolution into a catchphrase. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Let's Get Small. Without 'princess', I believe the primary topic to be the Steve Martin catchphrase. -- Tavix (talk) 00:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete per Utopes because of the "Well". As an ATD, it may retarget to the "excuse me" dab where BarrelProof added entries for both Steve Martin and Legend of Zelda.Jay 💬 10:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)- Struck per Tavix's addition. Jay 💬 07:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I found a source establishing the "Well" part of the catchphrase as well as a source that the Steve Martin bit inspired the Link catchphrase. I created a "Legacy" section to the Let's Get Small article, which I hope would satisfy both concerns. If someone is looking for the Link catchphrase, they will now find it at Let's Get Small. -- Tavix (talk) 00:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- @Steel1943:. This was on my mind 2 days ago, which was when I was last "online". In fact, we edit conflicted (or at least I did) when we both tried to close September 6th at the same time 😅. I was also relisting things on the 17th, but purposely left the items where consensus was seemingly formed, in order to let those have a proper close in the moment, such as (what I believed to be) this one. Now, I totally get the "satisfaction" of closing a page, I was right there with you, as a more navigable RfD is appreciated by all visitors. Why was this one not closed as retarget? Tavix just added content and a source, and everyone else is suggesting that (as well as you). Relisted discussions can be closed at any time, but they rarely are (before 7 days). Even this one might float back to the bottom. Imo, as consensus was clear, it could've stayed where it was to be closed as retarget by any uninvolved editor.
- I suppose the TLDR is: "discussions at the bottom are more likely to be closed than recently relisted ones", from my pov, and this one seems ready for a close (which might not happen for a while now, but maybe as a result of my post). Utopes (talk / cont) 16:08, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes: Long story short, WP:RFD has been having several WP:PEIS issues lately caused by the amount of nominations on the page, making it so some active nominations cannot be seen at all. And, to your point about these old discussions getting relisted when consensus may be clear: I've had a couple of instances where I will relist a discussion for technical reasons such as this, and then someone who can close the discussion to the perceived consensus closes the discussion about an hour or two later. Depends on who sees it, really. But ... to me, the severity of the WP:PEIS issues that have been happening lately are more pertinent to take care of then leaving an old discussion on an old log page to show it needs more urgency to be closed since ... these issues have been causing some older daily subpage transclusions to show up as links instead of transclusions. Steel1943 (talk) 16:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: Totally fair. I mean, the PEIS issues directly influenced my own closures and relists on the 17th, in an effort to ensure the pages could be removed from display. But if a discussion had clear consensus to delete or retarget, I still probably wouldn't relist that, and I'd instead try and clear out a later date (such as September 9 or 10 at this point). I just think, in this case, where you nominated this under the pretense of "I would've BOLDly retargeted", consensus agrees, and it's being relisted, this is really an example of one that could get closed instead of PEIS relisted, imo. (Edit conflict note: Ah, I didn't personally see the nomination subpage transclusions show up as links, even during the time when the page was full full. However though, I DID see the "Wikipedia community" template not get transcluded, which is where my urgency came from.) Utopes (talk / cont) 16:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes: Yep, me taking action on this involved either an WP:INVOLVED close (possible scrutiny) or relisting when consensus may be clear (possible scrunity). Me doing anything was going to be subject to scrutiny! But as someone who cannot stand when things do not technically work when they should, I had to do something, so I chose the option that wouldn't have potentially brought me to WP:DRV. (I recently got burned there, so I chose the path of less recent problems.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hope the technical issues are temporary. I was closing out older page discussions one at a time, but now I'm searching for the words "involved" and "peis" to see which were those that were moved up. Jay 💬 08:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: Totally fair. I mean, the PEIS issues directly influenced my own closures and relists on the 17th, in an effort to ensure the pages could be removed from display. But if a discussion had clear consensus to delete or retarget, I still probably wouldn't relist that, and I'd instead try and clear out a later date (such as September 9 or 10 at this point). I just think, in this case, where you nominated this under the pretense of "I would've BOLDly retargeted", consensus agrees, and it's being relisted, this is really an example of one that could get closed instead of PEIS relisted, imo. (Edit conflict note: Ah, I didn't personally see the nomination subpage transclusions show up as links, even during the time when the page was full full. However though, I DID see the "Wikipedia community" template not get transcluded, which is where my urgency came from.) Utopes (talk / cont) 16:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes: Long story short, WP:RFD has been having several WP:PEIS issues lately caused by the amount of nominations on the page, making it so some active nominations cannot be seen at all. And, to your point about these old discussions getting relisted when consensus may be clear: I've had a couple of instances where I will relist a discussion for technical reasons such as this, and then someone who can close the discussion to the perceived consensus closes the discussion about an hour or two later. Depends on who sees it, really. But ... to me, the severity of the WP:PEIS issues that have been happening lately are more pertinent to take care of then leaving an old discussion on an old log page to show it needs more urgency to be closed since ... these issues have been causing some older daily subpage transclusions to show up as links instead of transclusions. Steel1943 (talk) 16:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Strogg in Quake II
[edit]- List of Strogg in Quake II → Quake II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert without prejudice to AfD or merge per WP:BLAR. The only discussion I've found is from 2006 where one editor suggested a merge and a second editor disagreed. That's very obviously not consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 13#List of Strogg in Quake 4. -- Tavix (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article was redirected in 2007 and then again in 2009. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Back then, Wikipedia was flooded with WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTFANDOM violations related to video games. Since then, Wikipedia has evolved to not include or encourage the creation of articles that are against such policies. Restoring this article for any reason would be regression. Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- on top of what steel said, i haven't found anything specifying that this has to be done in afd, as opposed to here. buuuut chances are i haven't looked hard enough, so eh. the point still stands that doing this would only result in something being discussed and found worthy of deletion twice in a row, and go against previously established consensus that those kinds of redirects are usually deleted right away cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- For pages that are redirects, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at RfD. If you want this to be discussed at AfD, you should make a compelling argument that the content may be notable. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- again, where did the "speedy" part come from? if i wanted speedy deletion because i thought it applied to one or more of the criteria, i would have tagged it as such, as opposed to taking it to rfd cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i hate to disagree with an admin, but from reading wp:rdel and wp:del, i don't believe that's how any of this works. if a redirect refers to something that isn't mentioned in the target, and it's found that there's no reliable coverage of it, i think it falls within reason 2 to delete as stated in rdel, as it would leave readers to wonder where the list of strogg or info on quackifier are. if every blar'd redirect had to be reverted to an undercooked, effectively unsourced article and taken to afd to be discussed for the same reason as if it were still a redirect, a lot of rfd nominations would have been done out of process for ages now, with no admins happening to pick up on it
- and also rfd isn't solely for speedy deletion i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: That's one way of interpreting what I was trying to get at! In addition, regarding questioning administrators who participate in discussions: When administrators participate in discussions, they do so in their capacity as editors; their comments hold no stronger weight than any regular editor. They also cannot abuse their tools in retaliation since they would lose their administrative privileges. (I know there's a policy or essay page out there stating this, but I cannot find it at the moment.) In other words, feel free to challenge any editor in any discussion if you do not agree with their stance. Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- while we're here, what about quackifier? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as not seen in the parent article and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, game-guide content cannot be restored, violating what Wikipedia is not. Unmentioned on Wikipedia (correctly so, I'd add). Utopes (talk / cont) 15:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOT is explicitly not a speedy deletion criterion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Good thing this isn't WP:CSD! -- Tavix (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- why do you keep using "this isn't a criterion for speedy deletion" here of all places? rfd isn't exclusively for speedy deletions, and you're the only person in this discussion who brought up speedy deletion in any context besides telling you that this venue isn't necessarily for or about speedy deletion, and neither is this discussion (seeing as it's gone on for over a month and all) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOT is explicitly not a speedy deletion criterion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Restore article per Thryduulf. RfD is not the appropriate venue to discuss the deletion of an article. A7V2 (talk) 08:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- But we're not discussing the deletion of an article, we're discussing the deletion of a redirect. RfD is absolutely the correct venue for this discussion. Do you have any evidence that the former article content may be notable? -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome to disagree, but I don't agree that BLARing should be allowed to be used as a backdoor to deletion of articles. This case is even more problematic as there is evidence that some users disagreed with the BLARing (reverting it twice) but no deletion discussion took place. A7V2 (talk) 00:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- But we're not discussing the deletion of an article, we're discussing the deletion of a redirect. RfD is absolutely the correct venue for this discussion. Do you have any evidence that the former article content may be notable? -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Wrestle with jimmy
[edit]- Wrestle with jimmy → Say It Ain't So (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Lyric of the song not mentioned in target page. Appears to be a meme? But I can't find any reliable sources covering it that would merit inclusion in the article. Rusalkii (talk) 20:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Heather Liscano
[edit]- Heather Liscano → Calgary Flames (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not mentioned at target. Seems to be a non-notable employee of the team once. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. From what I can gather she sang the national anthem for the team for 16 years ending in 2014.[21] There are a lot of mentions of her in this role in unreliable sources (and ones like [22] that I don't know the reliability of) so it wouldn't surprise me if enough could be found in reliable ones (probably local newspapers from ~1998-2014) to add a sentence or two about her. However, unless and until there is content about her than we have now (a single mention in the infobox at 2004 Stanley Cup Finals) the redirect is misleading. Thryduulf (talk) 12:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Shoilan Government Primary School
[edit]- Shoilan Government Primary School → Dinajpur District, Bangladesh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore the article [23] which was WP:BLARed inappropriately as this school was not mentioned then either. A7V2 (talk) 08:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Dupchanchia Model Government Primary School
[edit]- Dupchanchia Model Government Primary School → Dhupchanchia Upazila (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- This was redirected as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dupchanchia Model Government Primary School. There was no mention of the school at Dhupchanchia Upazila then either. Happy to delete. A7V2 (talk) 08:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Chicago Gators
[edit]- Chicago Gators → Chicago Bears (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target article, and searching it up yields nothing reated to the Chicago Bears. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 17:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There is a baseball team by this name but they aren't mentioned anywhere on en.wp and seem to have no connection with the Chicago Bears (an American Football team) that I can find (2 minutes of research proved inconclusive regarding notability). The Windy City Gators also exist but are definitely not notable, seem unrelated to the baseball team, and are also not mentioned anywhere here (they are related to the Bears but only as a fans group I think). Thryduulf (talk) 19:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
March 31, 2023
[edit]- March 31, 2023 → Tornado outbreak of March 31 – April 1, 2023 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- May 20, 2013 → 2013 Moore tornado (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- April 4, 1974 → 1974 Super Outbreak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely alternative titles. We don't have redirects for April 27, 2011 or April 3, 1974 which are more important than either and they've received next to no traffic recently. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
As for the April 4, 1974 redirect I just appended to this RfD; I nominated it here because I accidentally created the redirect with the wrong date. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete No reason for these.Noah, BSBATalk 16:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per below. Noah, BSBATalk 17:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep. Tornadoes do not officially receive names so they can be tricky to search. An easy way to distinguish from other tornado outbreaks (especially when multiple outbreaks occur in the same area and/or around the same time) is by using the date. A little bit of poking around shows the tornadoes would be the primary topic for these dates. I would also be in favor of creating redirects for the other two dates mentioned in the nomination. -- Tavix (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- The problem here is a simple date is too ambiguous. It could be any event that happened on a specific day. I don't see how it's plausible to redirect days of a year to a tornado outbreak. The fact that these aren't getting traffic shows they arent needed to begin with. Noah, BSBATalk 16:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Plenty of primary topics are ambiguous—that's not a problem. Can you make the case for either of these dates that another event could plausibly be significant enough to rival the tornadoes? -- Tavix (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- An event being the most important of any particular day doesn't mean it's the only thing that happened that day. There are very few dates that I would consider worthy enough to be redirected, such as 4 July 1776 for the Signing of the United States Declaration of Independence and 14 August 1945 for the Surrender of Japan, or more recently 7 October 2023 for the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel and 24 February 2022 for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These are major events that have had significant cultural effects and the dates of which are unlikely to be forgotten in the public eye and which are the clear primary topics for those days. Most people worldwide today don't know that March 31, 2023 had a tornado outbreak, especially a year after the fact, and the same goes for May 20, 2013. They don't have the primary topic advantage my previous examples had, and either way, are receiving little traffic. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nowhere did I say this was the only thing that happened that day, but I do have a solution to the pushback that I'm getting: -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix, @Hurricane Noah, @GeorgeMemulous; I need to inform all of you that I just appended a third redirect onto this request. Thank you. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nowhere did I say this was the only thing that happened that day, but I do have a solution to the pushback that I'm getting: -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- An event being the most important of any particular day doesn't mean it's the only thing that happened that day. There are very few dates that I would consider worthy enough to be redirected, such as 4 July 1776 for the Signing of the United States Declaration of Independence and 14 August 1945 for the Surrender of Japan, or more recently 7 October 2023 for the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel and 24 February 2022 for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These are major events that have had significant cultural effects and the dates of which are unlikely to be forgotten in the public eye and which are the clear primary topics for those days. Most people worldwide today don't know that March 31, 2023 had a tornado outbreak, especially a year after the fact, and the same goes for May 20, 2013. They don't have the primary topic advantage my previous examples had, and either way, are receiving little traffic. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Plenty of primary topics are ambiguous—that's not a problem. Can you make the case for either of these dates that another event could plausibly be significant enough to rival the tornadoes? -- Tavix (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The problem here is a simple date is too ambiguous. It could be any event that happened on a specific day. I don't see how it's plausible to redirect days of a year to a tornado outbreak. The fact that these aren't getting traffic shows they arent needed to begin with. Noah, BSBATalk 16:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portal:Current events/2023 March 31 and Portal:Current events/2013 May 20 respectively. Any event that happened on that day notable enough to be covered in a mainspace Wikipedia article should be listed there. -- Tavix (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep 2013 and 2023 redirects – I have to disagree with GeorgeMemulous and some of the others on this one. I was about to create and tag the 2013 redirect (with an R from date template) when I discovered it was under discussion. I think it and other tornado date redirects can be of use at least for us here at WP:Weather.
- Now that said, if there was something else really notable that occurred on those two dates, then it would be a different story and I’d probably be in favor of deleting or retargeting. But barring that, they’re useful to me, and probably to some of the others on WP:Weather, so I think they should be kept, even if there is a relatively small amount of traffic. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 18:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- As for the 1974 redirect that I appended onto this discussion; as the nominator of that redirect, I favor deleting it. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- And FYI @GeorgeMemulous, we actually do have a redirect to both of those dates you listed in your nomination. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 18:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Although I am going to append another date redirect to your nomination that I do favor deleting, one I just created and realized that I got the date wrong. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I see that there is no clear policy when it comes to dates and redirects; redirection to Current Events is a WP:Cross-namespace redirect but either way they're the primary topic for those days. I might take this to the village pump to get some policy to be set in stone with date redirects. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep March 31, 2023 – When I Google
"March 31, 2023"
, majority of the results are the tornado outbreak (i.e. the redirect location). NOAA's webpage on the tornado outbreak (2nd result on Google) is titled "The Tornado Outbreak of March 31, 2023". First result is the outbreak's Wikipedia article. CNN's article for what happened on March 31, 2023 has the top thing being the Trump indictment (obviously not going to be known/associated with that date as a redirect), and the 2nd thing is the tornado outbreak..."A severe weather outbreak could impact nearly 70 million people today from the Mississippi Valley to the Ohio and Tennessee Valleys, meteorologists say.
" Here is a couple of other RS sources that use the date in association with the outbreak: [24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37]. In short, I do not think any other event is going to be known or associated well enough with that event for a redirect ("deletion") to Portal:Current events/2023 March 31 over the tornado outbreak. Unless someone can provide clear counter evidence as to why the outbreak is not the main topic associated with that date, I will remain keep for that redirect. As a fun P.S., the Trump indictment mentioned by CNN as the top story on March 31, 2023, is not even mentioned on Wikipedia's portal of current events for March 31, 2023. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- Because the Trump indictment was on March 30th. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Kingdom Hearts franchice characters
[edit]- List of Kingdom Hearts franchice characters → Characters of Kingdom Hearts (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
too much stuff to type before a tyop cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Kingdom Hearts origanal game characters
[edit]- List of Kingdom Hearts origanal game characters → Characters of Kingdom Hearts (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
minor spelling mistake, i win cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Enigmatic Man
[edit]- Enigmatic Man → Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Organization XIII (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- To help you narrow it down: Per this and this, Enigmatic Man was a name for Xemnas before his identity was revealed. -- Tavix (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Blonde Haired Kid
[edit]- Blonde Haired Kid → Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Roxas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
wouldn't it be wacky if there were at least two other people who met those two criteria just in the target? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are there at least two other characters who were known as "Blonde Haired Kid" in fan theories before being named? ([38] [39]). There's probably a good place at Roxas (Kingdom Hearts) to mention this... -- Tavix (talk) 16:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- the medium source mentions the name in passing, and with no indication that it refers to roxas unless you're already neck deep in kh brainrot (in which case, my condolences). the tumblr link is tumblr, and moves out of the "whomst is that guy" topic a bit too fast for this discussion. results gave me... miscellaneous young blonde people
- also if my memory isn't failing me, that name was also thrown around for fellow full-time blondies naminé and ventus. likely in reference to roxas, but that's too much lore for my brain to handle cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair (NPI), search engines don't distinguish between "Blonde Haired Kid" and "blonde haired kid". Adding 'Kingdom Hearts' to the search gives a bunch of results like "Remember when Roxas was referred to as "Blonde Haired Kid (BHK)?", "Roxas was once just BHK (Blonde Haired Kid)" "...Internet forum hype back when Roxas was just known as BHK (blonde-haired kid)". Of course, internet fora aren't reliable sources, but they can be helpful to establish usage. -- Tavix (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Roxas (Kingdom Hearts) if there has been sufficient evidence provided that there is a connection between the subject and this term. Otherwise, delete as unmentioned in both the current target and Roxas (Kingdom Hearts). Steel1943 (talk) 16:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Certificat Superieur de Francais
[edit]- Certificat Superieur de Francais → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Certificat Supérieur de Français → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only seems to occur in a passing mention on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've merged the version with the diacritic in with this nomination as was likely intended. It was nominated with no rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 17:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This seems to be the full name of the "B2" level mentioned at Telc#French and possibly warrants a mention, but a mention at Français langue étrangère#Diplomas, certifications and examinations may also be due. Thryduulf (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Deer cannon
[edit]Template:R from patronymic
[edit]- Template:R from patronymic → Template:R from surname (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Patronymics are not surnames, and I don't think the use-cases here are even remotely similar. I'm not sure if there are any naming conventions that would refer to a person by their patronymic only, so the only redirects from patronymics I could imagine would lead to articles about the corresponding names (not people). 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:09, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- One usecase will be redirects from patronymics that are misinterpreted as surnames, which is something that is, for example, done by many people from Britain and the US with respect to Icelandic names. Thryduulf (talk) 22:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- For those, I would suggest they point at the relevant given name articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- They would still be redirects from patronymics, I interpreted your nomination to be arguing for the deletion of the redirect for having no valid usecases?
- I can think of five possible targets for a redirect from a patronymic
- A single article (when it is unambiguous)
- A surname page (where a single name is used as both a surname and a patronymic by different people)
- A given name page (where a single name is used as both a given name and a patronymic by different people)
- A a combination given name and surname page (when some people use it as a given name and others a surname)
- A patronymic page (when it is used as a patronymic by multiple notable people, but not as any other sort of name)
- So I guess either retargetting to {{R from short name}} or making it it's own template would be best. Thryduulf (talk) 04:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. The current target is not appropriate in my opinion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- For those, I would suggest they point at the relevant given name articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in multiple cultures e.g. Icelandic names, they use patronymics instead of surnames. Thus, every "R from surname" for Icelandic name is actually a "R from patronymic". Joseph2302 (talk) 06:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then they aren't "R from surname"s and shouldn't be tagged as such (which is the current result of applying this redirect tag). 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Kingdom hearts kari
[edit]- Kingdom hearts kari → Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Kairi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that sure is a lot of characters to type before getting to a very potentially implausible minor spelling mistake cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Naga (Warcraft)
[edit]- Naga (Warcraft) → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Warcraft#Azeroth but not really with enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games, where it is mentioned. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly that article itself should probably be sent to AfD. It's a pile of poorly-sourced trivia with no real focus, and if it were cleaned up properly it would probably no longer mention the naga. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne which seems to be the most detailed appearance on Wikipedia I have seen, including a bit of commentary from a secondary sources. (And seems to be the first appearance in the game series.) Daranios (talk) 14:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is a better suggestion than mine. Prefer a refined target of #Settings and characters though. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Usually I am in favor of such a refinement, but in this case the preceding section #Gameplay already has relevant information on the naga - which might be overlooked by an interested reader if we point them further down - and so do sections further down. So here I would prefer to just link to the article. Daranios (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Daranios: I still prefer the refined target because it defines a 'naga' as opposed to describing their introduction into the specific game at hand. Keep in mind that the (Warcraft) disambiguator may designate the Warcraft universe, not merely the origin series of games. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Let me bracket that with, I think that's a minor point and I would have no problem with either solution. And I see your point, the brief definition you are referring to being "the Naga are mutated former Night Elves" I assume. But I still prefer not to link to #Settings and characters, because #Gameplay also has a very brief definition: The sentence "Two new Factions, the Naga and Draenei, have also been added [in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne]." contains the information "the Naga are a Faction in the Warcraft franchise". That may be even more basic, but that does not have to be a drawback. And the definition in #Setting is an in-universe one - and I would be the last person to say that this is not valid and valuable to the reader - while the one in #Gameplay is real-world related. So both have their worth and I do not think we should point the reader to the one further down with the risk of overlooking the one further up. Daranios (talk) 06:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Daranios: I still prefer the refined target because it defines a 'naga' as opposed to describing their introduction into the specific game at hand. Keep in mind that the (Warcraft) disambiguator may designate the Warcraft universe, not merely the origin series of games. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Usually I am in favor of such a refinement, but in this case the preceding section #Gameplay already has relevant information on the naga - which might be overlooked by an interested reader if we point them further down - and so do sections further down. So here I would prefer to just link to the article. Daranios (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is a better suggestion than mine. Prefer a refined target of #Settings and characters though. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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Photosite
[edit]mentioned exactly once in the article, in the lead, in passing, inside parentheses (can't guarantee citation 3 doesn't mention it because it's paywalled), really doesn't make it clear if a pixel is supposed to be a part of a photosite or vice-versa, though it seems to be the latter, which might make this the equivalent of redirecting "body hair" to beard. what do? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was an image hosting website, but googling shows that actually it refers to (as wikt:photosite puts it) "An individual light-sensitive element in a digital image sensor." and pixel is an alternative term for this. This suggests that image sensor is the correct target for the redirect - however the term is not mentioned there. Where it is mentioned is articles about specific sensors or sensor technologies, which are all too specific a target. A specific image hosting site ("PhotoSite") is mentioned at Homestead Technologies#History but that doesn't appear to be notable (and seems to have been discontinued circa 2006). I'm not completely sure what the best course of action is here, but the status quo definitely isn't it. Perhaps soft redirecting to Wiktionary if the term isn't added at Image sensor? If we do soft redirect we should remove the link to Wikipedia from that page to avoid a circular link. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Unio personalis
[edit]- Unio personalis → Prosopon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal Union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalis → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The specific terms don't seem to be explicitly mentioned in any article, so it is a bit unclear where these should point. The first redirect was created in 2007, targeting Hypostatic union; this was later changed to Person of Christ (now merged into Christology) along with the creation of the other redirects. Only the first one was rather recently changed to target Prosopon. Apart from these, the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 11#Unipersonalist (and the Nontrinitarianism article which was the target decided on in that RfD) seem pertinent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget where necessary to Hypostatic union. – Fayenatic London 20:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- @1234qwer1234qwer4: There has been limited participation, so I guess you may boldly retarget after considering Fayenatic's opinion. And I can close this as No consensus. Jay 💬 10:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have little knowledge of this topic, so maybe @Fayenatic london wants to do that themself? 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Looking at this again, I am not sure why I wrote "where necessary", because they all need changing to the same target. I think that if Joshua Jonathan had originally redirected Person of Christ to the specific section Christology#Person_of_Christ after merging that article, AvicBot would then have updated all these redirects likewise, in which case Scyrme would probably not have changed one of the redirects this year, so we would not be having this discussion. I suggested "hypostatic union" above as a closer match than "prosopon", being another translation of the redirected phrases, specifically about the union of two natures in one person. However, the section Christology#Person_of_Christ is a good starting point to land, with clear links to the other articles, and I now think that this would be the best target. – Fayenatic London 19:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I have no idea anymore what this is about.... Too long ago. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:38, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Za'ura
[edit]The current target was created today. Until then it targetted Zoora, which has a footnote stating that Za'ura is an alternative romanisation. It's not immediately clear to me whether one topic is primary (in which case there should be a hatnote to the other) or whether a disambig should be primary. I've not immediately found any other possible targets but my searching hasn't been as extensive as I'd like (I'm running low on time).
Courtesy ping to those who've commented at ANI: @Supreme Deliciousness, Primefac, and Selfstudier:. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- If the alternate romanisation is correct, then I would advocate for reversing the retargeting and restore the Zoora link; that subject is well-sourced and likely more notable than a nonexistent historical village in Syria. Primefac (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab. For the saint, see here. Srnec (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Za'ura, Syria → Za'ura, as there does not seem to be a need to disambiguate (are there other locations in the world with that same name?). Use WP:hatnotes in the two articles, Za'ura and Zoora. The two articles have similar pronounciations, but not the same. Hence, there is no need for a disambiguation page. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pronunciation is irrelevant. Both articles could be titled "Za'ura" so disambiguation of some sort is required. The question is whether that should be a hatnote from the primary topic or a primary disambiguation page. To answer that question we need to know whether one or the other is the primary topic for people searching "Za'ura" and from my searches there doesn't appear to be, although Google refusing to distinguish between "Za'ura" and "za ura" is not helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I created Za'ura, Syria. Dont really have an opinion. There is very little info about the village. Maybe the redirect should go to Zoora. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Monsoon Revolution
[edit]- Monsoon Revolution → Non-cooperation movement (2024) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Non-cooperation movement (2024) is not known as "Monsoon Revolution". There is no source verify that. In that way, this redirect is WP:OR. Also Monsoon Revolution is the name of a book "Monsoon Revolution: Republicans, Sultans, and Empires in Oman, 1965-1976". Redirect this to the subject creates confusion. It needs to be deleted. Mehedi Abedin 04:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I found at least one source that is calling it "Monsoon Revolution". [40] Za-ari-masen (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The above source had been removed from the article. I also found the one I had originally heard this term used in [41] (just after the 4 minute mark in the audio) and added a note about the alternative name back to the intro of Non-cooperation movement (2024). Given that it has also been used for the Dhofar War (which is what the book is apparently about), perhaps this should be made into a disambiguation page between those two? -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: There are only three hits for the name that pertain to the NCM in Bangladesh. The name is used for other events as well as mentioned above. PadFoot (talk) 07:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: In that case disambiguation is the better idea considering what Beland and PadFoot2008 said. Mehedi Abedin 07:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It doesn't seem like this is the name that sticks. I did notice that an article was made entitled July 36 where it is said that that is what Bangladeshis calling the date of Sheikh Hasina's removal. I think we're seeing a scenario akin to the Revolution of Dignity in Ukraine. Image2012 (talk) 11:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I’m going to say the latter. We don’t seem to have enough evidence for the term’s usage to refer to either the Non-cooperation movement or the Dhofar War. Image2012 (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Image2012: What are you opposing? Deletion per the original nomination, or the disambiguation suggestion per the nom's later choice? Do you want the redirect to be kept as is? Jay 💬 06:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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The Glades (Arrow)
[edit]- The Glades (Arrow) → List of DC Universe locations#Cities of the DC Universe Earth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Per this. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Liberry
[edit]Not mentioned at all in target. Originally targeted Cory in the House as a location of this name existed in that show, however it's also not mentioned there. Now the target of anon hijacking into an article about a non-notable fruit. Jalen Barks (Woof) 12:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: reasonable phonetic misspelling. Cremastra (talk) 13:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, this is a common-enough pronunciation (here's a good-ish discussion on the topic). If hijacking continues, then the redirect should be protected. -- Tavix (talk) 13:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Seems more like a misspelling of Liberty (one letter difference) than its current target. Steel1943 (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix and Cremastra. Google finds a couple of non-notable companies and lots of hits related to the pronunciation of "Library" but no examples of a misspelling of "Liberty". On en.wp it's listed (with a source) at Commonly misspelled English words#L–O as a misspelling of "Library" and not of "Liberty", and is a partial title match for the penultimate episode of Futurama season 9 ("The Futurama Mystery Liberry") which google tells me is an intentional misspelling of "Library". Thryduulf (talk) 19:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Seems the "Library/Liberry" connections may based on the fact this redirect was created almost two decades ago. It's like Wikipedia trained the Internet to provide possibly erroneous results, especially since third party search engines tend to refer to Wikipedia for at least 1 of its top 5 hits for a search term. Steel1943 (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - common pronunciation, this seems the most likely target. Anon hijacking should be addressed regardless of the ultimate target. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Resident Evil RE:Verse
[edit]- Resident Evil RE:Verse → Resident Evil Village (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention about Reverse at the article. It was downloadable together with Village, yes; but it is still a completely different game. It doesn't help either when this was not mentioned at the article. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, is mentioned in the article. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:07, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- You did not check the article right? Pls check properly or Ctrl + F 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 13:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Major All Stars
[edit]- Major All Stars → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Major All Stars Season 1 → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert Major All Stars, merge the article in the history of Major All Stars Season 1 into it and redirect the latter to the former, all without prejudice to AfD. I'm seeing a lot of hits that post-date the 2017 BLAR that make this at least worth discussing - especially as there are at least two baseball teams (about which we don't even have a mention) with the name that need filtering out of search results. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I did some digging and I'm not seeing any reliable sourcing on this. I'm happy to reconsider if sourcing is found. -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose deletion of the article content without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Then provide evidence showing why this may be notable. -- Tavix (talk) 17:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose deletion of the article content without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Let's not clutter AfD. There is zero chance this survives. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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Muhajir Province
[edit]- Muhajir Province → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Muhajir Province (Movement) → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This redirect points to its current target due to its former target, Muhajir Province (Movement) (title match but with a disambiguator, thus a WP:PRECISE violation), being subject to a total WP:BLAR which occurred a few months ago. Steel1943 (talk) 00:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as no such province exists in Pakistan. Wikibear47 (talk) 19:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle Muhajir Province Movement, Muhajir Province (Linguist Movement), Muhajir Province (Linguistic Movement), and Muhajir Sooba. Retarget all to Mohajir Qaumi Movement Pakistan. Jay 💬 17:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokemon Directory
[edit]- Pokemon Directory → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon directory → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 9 § Pokémon directory – retarget to Pokédex
previously nominated and retargeted, despite notdirectory. the pokédex isn't much of a traditional directory either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the consensus of the previous RfD that this is a good description of and plausible synonym for the target. I don't understand how WP:NOTDIRECTORY is relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- thought this reply was sent before, but apparently not
- do you think it's used as a synonym for the pokédex? because results mostly gave me lists of pokémon by whatever trait (type, pokédex number, etc.), blogs, guides, and... a book seemingly made in gen 2 with a cover written entirely in comic sans. come on, that's just cursed cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's a synonym, in the sense that people don't call it that as an alternative name, it is however a plausible search term for people who don't know or don't remember what the in-game directory of pokemon is called. Thryduulf (talk) 17:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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- I don't know how WP:NOTDIRECTORY applies to titles of articles, let alone redirects. As it says
In that sense, Wikipedia functions as an index or directory of its own content.
We are a directory of many things, just not things that are overly non-notable directory-ish, as in the examples given in NOTD. So I am undecided between keep based on that thinking of a Pokedex as a directory is very plausible (agree with the previous RfD) and add a section hatnote Gameplay of Pokémon § Pokédex. Or retarget to List of Pokémon, which is a directory of Pokemon. Skynxnex (talk) 05:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. WP:NOTDIRECTORY is irrelevant regarding the redirects' current target: The redirects are alternative names (though potentially {{R from incorrect name}}s) for their target subject, the Pokédex. However, oppose retarget to List of Pokémon per, ironically, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Steel1943 (talk) 16:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
The Greatest Of All Time (Upcoming film)
[edit]- The Greatest Of All Time (Upcoming film) → The Greatest of All Time (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The film has released, and this doesn't link to any mainspace article. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep only released a few days ago and therefore very unsurprisingly it's still getting a lot of hits. Even the hardliners shouldn't have to do their usual mental gymnastics to avoid seeing the usefulness of this one. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to the multiple capitalization errors, including 'Of' and 'Upcoming. -- Tavix (talk) 12:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was wrong, you are doing mental gymnastics to justify harming the encyclopaedia by deleting an unambiguous, well-used redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's what The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film) is for! -- Tavix (talk) 13:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of what you think people should use, they are actually using this one more. Our goal is to enable people to find the content they are looking for in the way they are looking for it , we do not and should not require people to know our arbitrary titling conventions beforehand. Thryduulf (talk) 13:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, if we're discussing which redirects people should use, they shouldn't use either one. This film is no longer upcoming—they are now obsolete. (This is arbitrary?! No way!) -- Tavix (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- We do not get to decide which redirects people should use, we only get to choose whether they are allowed to keep using the ones they do use or whether we will go out of our way to cause harm by making them jump through arbitrary hoops for absolutely no benefit to ourselves. I know which is the only option there is any justification for choosing, but perhaps some people enjoy being nasty? Thryduulf (talk) 16:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- If this redirect did not exist, anyone who would have used this redirect would still be able to find the article just as easily. On the other hand, keeping an obsolete and misleading redirect is harmful for those who think the redirect implies that it may still be upcoming. Deletion resolves any potential lingering confusion there. -- Tavix (talk) 17:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Some people will still be able to find the target, but given that people will have to navigate search results (that may or may not include the target) and that these might be several clicks/taps away (depending on multiple factors) it is objectively incorrect to say
anyone who would have used this redirect would still be able to find the article just as easily.
- Redirects that are incorrect but lead to an article that is correct are not in and of themselves harmful or confusing, otherwise we would have no redirects from misspellings, mishearings (cf your argument to keep at #Liberry) typos, misnomers, former names and other titles that are equally obsolete or incorrect, but we have thousands of them because we recognise that deleting them would be harmful to our readers. Thryduulf (talk) 19:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Search results will definitely include the target, the title is an exact match for the first five words. Common misspellings, etc. are useful enough to overcome the inherent risk, but redirects with disambiguation errors are not natural search terms. -- Tavix (talk) 19:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Some people will still be able to find the target, but given that people will have to navigate search results (that may or may not include the target) and that these might be several clicks/taps away (depending on multiple factors) it is objectively incorrect to say
- If this redirect did not exist, anyone who would have used this redirect would still be able to find the article just as easily. On the other hand, keeping an obsolete and misleading redirect is harmful for those who think the redirect implies that it may still be upcoming. Deletion resolves any potential lingering confusion there. -- Tavix (talk) 17:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- We do not get to decide which redirects people should use, we only get to choose whether they are allowed to keep using the ones they do use or whether we will go out of our way to cause harm by making them jump through arbitrary hoops for absolutely no benefit to ourselves. I know which is the only option there is any justification for choosing, but perhaps some people enjoy being nasty? Thryduulf (talk) 16:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, if we're discussing which redirects people should use, they shouldn't use either one. This film is no longer upcoming—they are now obsolete. (This is arbitrary?! No way!) -- Tavix (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of what you think people should use, they are actually using this one more. Our goal is to enable people to find the content they are looking for in the way they are looking for it , we do not and should not require people to know our arbitrary titling conventions beforehand. Thryduulf (talk) 13:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's what The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film) is for! -- Tavix (talk) 13:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was wrong, you are doing mental gymnastics to justify harming the encyclopaedia by deleting an unambiguous, well-used redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Delete. Regardless if this currently qualifies for WP:UFILM at present, the capitalized "Of" and "Upcoming" make this redirect WP:COSTLY when combined with WP:UFILM deletion potential. Also, this redirect was created due to fixing the capitalization in December 2023, which was well before the target subject was released. Best get rid of this troublesome redirect now, especially considering we currently have the correctly capitalized The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film). Steel1943 (talk) 13:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- No redirect that is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for can, by definition, be costly. This redirect is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for. Regardless of why it exists, or whether you think it should exist, it does exist and deleting it would be harmful while keeping it benefits readers. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) In actuality, there is no way to prove your "
This redirect is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for.
" claim. What if a reader is looking for a different film of this title that is actually "upcoming"/"not yet released"? That's not what the target is anymore. (Getting into WP:UFILM territory here ... holding off on that until the discussion for the other redirect, The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film), occurs.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- In this case, as far as I've been able to determine, there is no other film with this title that is actually upcoming - indeed I've not found any evidence of any other film with this title. So, yes, when we bother to look at the evidence rather than theory or ideology it is unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Right, there could be unrelated WP:OR / WP:MADEUP / WP:HOAX upcoming film topics someone may have seen on some Fandom-like website. In such a case, a reader who does not know the difference between such topics and an actual encyclopedic topic arrives at the current target when searching "upcoming film" as a disambiguator, though the target article is about a subject they are not looking (since the subject they are looking for is unencyclopedic and shouldn't belong on Wikipedia anyways), the reader may not understand or know the difference between the subjects, and then assume the target subject is the subject they are looking for. That right there is ... a textbook case of WP:RHARMFUL (specifically WP:RDEL reasons #1 and/or #2). Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- That could theoretically apply to every article and redirect on Wikipedia, and it's no more a reason why they are harmful than it is a reason this is harmful - especially when there is no evidence such OR/MADEUP/HOAX films exist for this title but there is for others. Have you run out of straws to clutch at yet? Thryduulf (talk) 19:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Point is in some cases, such redirects with disambiguators that hint to a WP:CRYSTAL subject, an erroneous disambiguator causes more harm than good to readers not knowing or caring how Wikipedia works (WP:HAC#Readers). Steel1943 (talk) 19:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- From WP:HAC#Readers:
Most readers are on Wikipedia with the mission to find what they are looking for, usually in the quickest manner possible, so they can get back on with the rest of their day.
In this case we have evidence that readers are using this redirect to find something, evidence that it plausibly could be the current target, and absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it is anything else. We therefore best serve readers by keeping this redirect pointing to its current location and allow them to find what they are looking for without navigating (up to several hoops before arriving at) search results that may or may not (prominently) feature the target article. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- From WP:HAC#Readers:
- Point is in some cases, such redirects with disambiguators that hint to a WP:CRYSTAL subject, an erroneous disambiguator causes more harm than good to readers not knowing or caring how Wikipedia works (WP:HAC#Readers). Steel1943 (talk) 19:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- That could theoretically apply to every article and redirect on Wikipedia, and it's no more a reason why they are harmful than it is a reason this is harmful - especially when there is no evidence such OR/MADEUP/HOAX films exist for this title but there is for others. Have you run out of straws to clutch at yet? Thryduulf (talk) 19:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Right, there could be unrelated WP:OR / WP:MADEUP / WP:HOAX upcoming film topics someone may have seen on some Fandom-like website. In such a case, a reader who does not know the difference between such topics and an actual encyclopedic topic arrives at the current target when searching "upcoming film" as a disambiguator, though the target article is about a subject they are not looking (since the subject they are looking for is unencyclopedic and shouldn't belong on Wikipedia anyways), the reader may not understand or know the difference between the subjects, and then assume the target subject is the subject they are looking for. That right there is ... a textbook case of WP:RHARMFUL (specifically WP:RDEL reasons #1 and/or #2). Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- In this case, as far as I've been able to determine, there is no other film with this title that is actually upcoming - indeed I've not found any evidence of any other film with this title. So, yes, when we bother to look at the evidence rather than theory or ideology it is unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) In actuality, there is no way to prove your "
- No redirect that is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for can, by definition, be costly. This redirect is unambiguously taking people to the content they are looking for. Regardless of why it exists, or whether you think it should exist, it does exist and deleting it would be harmful while keeping it benefits readers. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect is getting next to no hits, with zero in the last 10 days. The film was released 2 weeks ago, which I wouldn't consider a "few days ago". In a perfect world, ~2 weeks is plenty of time to allow views to taper off imo, but we've generously extended it to 30 to give ample leeway to lost readers. That said, the capitalization differences here are plausible as they are with most any title, so that's not a reason to delete this one. The film came out at the start of September, which it's now mid-September, so this does come as a bit of a rush. Feel free to renominate alongside The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film) once ample time has passed. Keep for now. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
This redirect is getting next to no hits, with zero in the last 10 days
where are you seeing that? The stats link shows it got 28 hits in the three days before this nomination. How long do you think is "ample time"? Personally, I think it's when people have actually stopped using the redirect (because I don't know how a redirect that's unambiguously helping people find the content they are looking for can be declared anything other than useful), occasionally that happens almost instantly, occasionally it's over a year, most often it's somewhere in the 2-10 week range, but each one is different. Thryduulf (talk) 16:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- The stats link shows that it received 28 hits between September 5th, 6th, and 7th, which aligns with the film's worldwide release on September 5th. The redirect then received zero hits in the last 10 days between September 8th through September 17th, at the moment I was originally writing.
- The length of "ample time" is enough to allow the pageviews to trend down. If enough days have passed where the pageviews indicate that the hits are generally going towards zero. If, for some reason, the pageviews AREN'T going down, that indicates a problem that should be fixed before deletion, such as existing wikilinks in need of repair. Dropping from 10,000 to 10 across the course of a month, is plenty of evidence of decline in use, a classic projection that has occurred similarly to any declining search term in existence. As such, its a fine spot, indicating we've done everything right in regards to cleanup, and are ready to switch over to the exclusively accurate title.
- Beyond ~30 days, nobody actually thinks this movie is upcoming in the general public. 30 days, coincidentally, is about the length of most theatrical runs, so if the movie isn't even playing in theatres anymore, there's no longer an argument of release-date ignorance, as the run is over over. As it so happens, the movie IS still in theatres, as it released 2 weeks ago. So I'm keep !voting. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a lot of WP:CRYSTAL in that. We care what actually happens, and what people are actually doing not what we think they might do in the future if current trends continue, nor what we think they should do. This is why we wait until page views actually have stopped, we don't delete when we think they should have done. Continued views are not "problems" and don't need fixing. Incorrect links from current revisions of en.wp articles might be the source of traffic, but more likely its links from external webpages or searches based on offline or unlinked mentions. Finally, remember that release dates and theatrical runs are not always the same everywhere - e.g. a film may have been released last month in the US but still be upcoming elsewhere. For example one of my earlier internet memories is chatting with an American and a Swiss person about Independence Day (1996 film) in circa mid-August of that year having just been to see it at the cinema (probably in its 2nd or 3rd week); the theatrical release in the US was over having been released on 4 July but it was not due for release until September in Switzerland. For an American searching it as "upcoming" would have been very unlikely, for a Brit a bit behind the times but not implausible, but it would be accurate for a Swiss searcher. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- If there's a Switzerland release for September that gets mentioned in the article, I'd say wait about 30 days after that to give it time to go down, letting the redirect exist well into October. Nobody in Switzerland thinks it's upcoming in October. And absolutely not October of the subsequent year. If there's a staggered release mentioned in the article, then wait until it can no longer be considered "upcoming" by any stretch of logic, and then delete. I don't think that the USA is the world by any means. I was just speaking for a general magic example where a global release was at big number, and shrank to small number, 10 or so, about the size of a lunchroom table worth of people and otherwise inconsequential views from my own POV.
- I had more written in my previous response (re: the 10k to 10, & the "inconsequentiality" factor), but I deleted some of the context (about 50% of the text) because I thought "well we're both !voting keep". My main reason for responding was the pageviews thing; this one dropped to zero and stuck for 10 days. We don't wait for things to go to zero, and then wait for them to raise back up from zero. If it was zero, it was zero, and holding that for what probably would've been ~14 days/2 weeks total without an RfD, is plenty of time at zero to indicate stopped usage (had it been 30+ days after release). HOWEVER, because the movie did just release this month (globally), and also The Greatest of All Time (upcoming film) exists, I agree with you these titles should be treated equally, as there's nothing implicitly wrong with the current capitalization of this title. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a lot of WP:CRYSTAL in that. We care what actually happens, and what people are actually doing not what we think they might do in the future if current trends continue, nor what we think they should do. This is why we wait until page views actually have stopped, we don't delete when we think they should have done. Continued views are not "problems" and don't need fixing. Incorrect links from current revisions of en.wp articles might be the source of traffic, but more likely its links from external webpages or searches based on offline or unlinked mentions. Finally, remember that release dates and theatrical runs are not always the same everywhere - e.g. a film may have been released last month in the US but still be upcoming elsewhere. For example one of my earlier internet memories is chatting with an American and a Swiss person about Independence Day (1996 film) in circa mid-August of that year having just been to see it at the cinema (probably in its 2nd or 3rd week); the theatrical release in the US was over having been released on 4 July but it was not due for release until September in Switzerland. For an American searching it as "upcoming" would have been very unlikely, for a Brit a bit behind the times but not implausible, but it would be accurate for a Swiss searcher. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride
[edit]- Tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride → Lithium aluminium hydride (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This item is redirected to Lithium aluminium hydride, which is a different conpound, that even does not contain tert-butyl groups; tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride does not contain lithium.--M97uzivatel (talk) 04:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The full compound name is lithium tri-tert-butoxyaluminum hydride, which doesn't exist and is red at the current target. It is discussed at the target, but I agree that in general we should avoid redirects for compounds to articles about specific, different compounds. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
"Loss"
[edit]thank chernobog those aren't apostrophes. on a less important note, is this unnatural enough to warrant deletion, and if it's not, should it be retargeted to loss? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep normally I'd support deleting these per WP:PANDORA but the article suggests that the term with quotes is common so seems sensible enough to keep on its own merits. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- REtarget to loss (disambiguation) -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- "Keep" or Retarget to loss (disambiguation) as my less preferred option. "Loss", specifically in quotes, does seem to have a primary target of this comic, and while the disambiguation page can get you there, it's far down the list and easily missable, particularly and especially if someone is searching this because they don't know what someone online is talking about when they put loss in quotes like this, which I would imagine is a major use case. If someone was not looking for this comic, I imagine they would remove the quotes and search again. Fieari (talk) 05:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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- "Keep": seems common, and WP:SMALLDIFFERENCES makes it the primary target. Tag with {{r from stylization}}, I guess? Cremastra (talk) 11:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Though you could use the search box that way, by enclosing search terms in quotes; It would normally bring you straight to the non-quote-enclosed pagename -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Hard Cast
[edit]results seem torn between hard cast bullets, orthopedic casts, and ptms for movies with "hard" in their titles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate at Hard cast and retarget this capitalized version there as a miscapitalization. I was hoping to find a general discussion of hard cast metals, but there isn't anything specific at metal casting. For now I guess let's create a dab page with links to bullet#Material, orthopedic cast, metal casting, and a see also for cast (disambiguation), and perhaps someone with more knowledge can improve from there. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- disambiguate per Mdewman6 -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Hands-On Museum
[edit]- Hands-On Museum → Ann Arbor Hands-On Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete or disambig - quick google search found at least three other museums referred to this way, the Ann Arbor one doesn't seem to be clearly the primary topic. I don't believe we have articles for most of the others. Rusalkii (talk) 17:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Create a Set index at List of hands-on and interactive museums or some similar title (the terms are interchangeable) until we have content about the type of museum. Thryduulf (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Set indexify, but if that doesn't happen, keep. If we don't have any coverage of any of the other museums, there is no reason to delete this. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Kingdom Hearts DS
[edit]- Kingdom Hearts DS → Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Could be confused with Kingdom Hearts Re:coded. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- okay i believe you. retarget to kingdom hearts#games cogsan (quack) (ES LEBE DEUTSCHLAND) 17:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete With no specific game called "Kingdom Hearts DS", letting the search function do its job is better than sending people to a big list. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- per precedent with redirects like kirby wii, i'll disagree with that. they tend to get retargeted to their series' articles, so readers can find the games that got released on those specific consoles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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Etelis coruscans
[edit]- Etelis coruscans → Etelis#Taxonomy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Per the Rcat template: "Note that the practice of creating redirects from species names that could be articles is strongly discouraged." UtherSRG (talk) 16:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Please link to the consensus decision that redirects from species names that could be articles is strongly discouraged. It does not appear to be linked from the template. A categorical claim like this should be linked to the guidance supporting it. Please ping with reply. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I will also note that the reason for speedy deletion was given as
an implausible typo or misnomer
which it clearly is not, and that reason was misleading and deserving of a challenge. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC) - Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Articlefy with the stub I have drafted below the redirect. Cremastra (talk) 12:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this YorkshireExpat (talk) 19:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Brazilian and Portuguese varieties
[edit]- Brazilian and Portuguese varieties → Brazilian Portuguese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
is this vague? as far as i understand, it could be referring to any type of "variety" of anything that could be considered "brazilian" or "portuguese" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Very vague. Not helpful at all. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:XY. Seems like it could refer to either Brazilian or European varieties of Portuguese. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Contrary to the above, this is not XY nor is it, in practice, vague - it's clearly looking for an article about the similarities and/or differences between Brazilian and Portuguese varieties, the only issue is that it does not specify what the varieties are of. The Portuguese language is probably the most prominent thing that has notable Brazilian and Portuguese varieties, and the target article does discuss how they differ. What we need to establish is whether there are other things that have notable Brazilian and Portuguese varieties, and if so whether the language is the primary topic. Actually doing that research we find that literally 100% of results for "Brazilian and Portuguese varieties" -Wikipedia and every hit on the first 5 pages of results when the quotes are omitted refers to difference between European and South American varieties of Portuguese. Even results that at first glance seem unrelated (Toponymy of São Tomé and Príncipe) are contrasting the local variety of Portuguese with the varieties named in the title. This would not make a good article title, but this is not an article title it's a redirect, and it's clearly taking searches to the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 16:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:XY. And what the heck is a "variety" in reference to the current topic? Steel1943 (talk) 05:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- XY is not a reason to delete when the target has content about both X and Y (which this does). I explained everything else in my detailed comment above which you should read. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Retargetto Brazilian cuisine, which details how varieties of Brazilian cuisine compare and contrast to Portugese cuisine. -- Tavix (talk) 12:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- was going to ask why food was your first thought, but it would be hypocritical. that aside, the target also does that, and i feel that someone looking that up wouldn't expect to land on food of all things (even if it's the only good thing about brazil)
- torn between disagreeing with this per wp:surprise, or supporting it per "it'd be funny" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was kind of thinking the same thing there ... how does "varieties" equate to "food/cuisine"? Steel1943 (talk) 18:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- It was the only article I could find that discusses both Brazilian and Portuguese varieties of a topic. Brazilian Portuguese#Dialects does do that too now that I'm looking closer, so delete as vague. -- Tavix (talk) 19:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was kind of thinking the same thing there ... how does "varieties" equate to "food/cuisine"? Steel1943 (talk) 18:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete vague and not helpful. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Quadrachromic pencil
[edit]Does not look like we have any content on this, neither at the current target nor at Colored pencil. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the history of this redirect suggests it's a {{R from merge}} but I've not investigated whether it was actually merged. The two sentences were enough that it wouldn't meet any speedy deletion criterion if restored but not enough to sustain an article. If sent to AfD I expect it would get a mix of !votes to delete, merge, and expand with consensus equally likely to be any of them. History and uses are obvious potential areas for expansion but I've not yet looked to see what sources are available. Thryduulf (talk) 04:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think an entry for multi-colored pencils in general, including 3 color, 4 color, 5 color, 6 color, and more, would fit very well at Colored pencil#Types. I imagine it shouldn't be hard to find a sources simply stating what they are, maybe how they are made, who uses them, etc. Then we could redirect there. Fieari (talk) 06:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Search results are mostly Wikipedia mirrors. --Un assiolo (talk) 12:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Snowball clause
[edit]- Snowball clause → Wikipedia:Snowball clause (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect C F A 💬 22:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of idioms of improbability#Tasks that are difficult or impossible to perform where the "clause" is discussed. Cremastra (talk) 00:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Cremastra and add a {{selfref}} hatnote to the project page. Thryduulf (talk) 10:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral – I’m good either way. I’m very weakly in favor of keeping it the way it is; but I’m ok with changing the target. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per above to avoid an unnecessary cross namespace redirect. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 21:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per above. JeffSpaceman (talk) 15:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, no mention of "clause" at the target article. It being a "clause" is a Wikipedia exclusive thing and not at all related to real-world usage. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Utopes that the above proposed retarget is unsuitable. However Deletion of articles on Wikipedia#Articles for deletion discusses the snowball clause so retarget there instead. A7V2 (talk) 11:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Häxans förbannelser
[edit]- Häxans förbannelser → Noidan kirot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Haxans forbannelser → Noidan kirot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target (nor at the fiwiki sitelink). It doesn't seem like this is directly related? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – seems to be an alternative Swedish title. Cremastra (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Lithotomic
[edit]- Lithotomic → Lithotomy position (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Could refer to lithotomy. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to lithotomy as an {{r from adjective}} Cremastra (talk) 21:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
A!
[edit]same-ish case as "a?". target doesn't help proving that this album is the primary topic for a common letter followed by a common punctuation mark cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment as per the A? nomination, this is the logo, "A!", currently used at the article Aalto University -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to A (disambiguation), and itemize there (the university can be listed with 'A?', 'A!', 'A"' (A-double-quote) logo variants -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:MBTI Instrument
[edit]- Template:MBTI Instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:MBTI Archetypes → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Mtbi instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Three more template space redirects pointing to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (added 12:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC))
- Template:MBTI Archetypes, was merged to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator
- Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions, was merged to ISTJ
- Template:Mtbi instrument, alias of Template:MBTI Instrument
A few years ago, this template became unused, and was redirected to the main MBTI article. Isn't the normal procedure for unused templates to be deleted? I don't see why one would do a redirect from template space to an article. 🤷 Paradoctor (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Do these need to be kept for attribution? --Un assiolo (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and TfD? Jay 💬 11:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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Black box (fiction)
[edit]- Black box (fiction) → Deus ex machina (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
i really have to be missing something here, because every definition i found for "black box" that wasn't a vehicle part or literal black box was "a thing that does stuff that you're not allowed to see the doing of". not necessarily a macguffin, not necessarily a deus ex machina, and especially not necessarily tied to fiction, but the disambiguator takes care of that last part cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- for the record, until i find out what could tie this to this specific trope, my vote will be weak retarget to macguffin. seems it's sorta kinda what the last revision before being blar'd referred to (probably, maybe, i'm not sure) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Multiplicity of a restricted root
[edit]- Multiplicity of a restricted root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"restricted root" is not mentioned at the target (and is only used a few times in the entire English Wikipedia's mainspace). 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not into mathematics, but searching gave me Plancherel theorem for spherical functions#Harish-Chandra's Plancherel theorem that has "α is called a restricted root and is called its multiplicity." Jay 💬 13:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's not really an appropriate target. A restricted root is an element of a root system of a semisimple Lie algebra, and its multiplicity is the dimension of the associated eigenspace. This has little to do with Harish-Chandra's theorem. I think Semisimple Lie algebra would be more appropriate. Tito Omburo (talk) 11:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Semisimple Lie algebra as suggested by Tito Omburo. XOR'easter (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hypeicane
[edit]Saint Boy
[edit]- Saint Boy → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in the target article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be the name of a horse used by both Annika Schleu and Gulnaz Gubaydullina. It's mentioned at both of their articles, but I think search results are best as neither article has more info than the other. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add that information to the article. If neither has more info than the other, then the appropriate place to link is the event page where both competitors are listed. --Habst (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pelmeen10, redirect discussions are not votes; see WP:NOTAVOTE. I didn't just vote to keep, I am recommending to both keep and add the info to the article, not one without the other. I don't mind in which order it's done. --Habst (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per Presidentman, unless useful content is made available at the current target.Jay 💬 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- Struck, and added a section at the target. Jay 💬 16:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics, which is where the horse is mentioned. According to the content there, that particular horse's performance and athlete Schleu's treatment of it were the catalyst for the decision to officially drop equestrian from the modern pentathlon. [42][43] The decision to drop equestrian from the sport is mentioned in the article Modern pentathlon, but not the horse itself. The horse will likely continue being mentioned in Annika Schleu because that is when/where/how the incident with the horse happened. If later the horse gets mentioned in Modern pentathlon, then the redirect can be changed. Until then, it should point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics. The current target (Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's) is not the appropriate place. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Better yet, add {{Anchor|Saint Boy}} just under § 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and redirect to Annika Schleu#Saint Boy. That is how I would do it. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why should it redirect to Annika Schleu and not Gulnaz Gubaydullina? Jay 💬 11:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It was not very clear when I read the Annika Schleu article. After your explanation, when I read it again, it became clear. I see there are some details in the trainer Kim Raisner's article which are not present in Annika Schleu. Jay 💬 07:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Seriously? It didn't need to be relisted. Can I just change it to point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics? ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's not the current consensus. The ambiguity of the redirect seems to also leave deletion and retargeting to other locations as options. Thus, the relist ... need clearer consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 12:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The best solution would be to have a summary of the incidents at the current target rather than just arbitrarily targeting one of the biographies where the horse is mentioned (Annika Schleu, Kim Raisner, Gulnaz Gubaydullina). -- Tavix (talk) 13:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, I meant exactly what I said. The incidents regarding Saint Boy occurred during Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's, so there should be a write up at that page of what happened. I am aware that has not yet been added. -- Tavix (talk) 16:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (or refine) now that the section has been written. Thanks Jay! -- Tavix (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Retarget to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics or an anchor as suggested above by Grorp. If and when a section is added to Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's, which I agree probably should be done, then it can be retargeted there. I don't see any real ambiguity issues here as the incidents around Annika Schleu's treatment of Saint Boy are almost certainly why someone would be searching for him.A7V2 (talk) 11:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)- Refine to the newly added Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's#Criticism of the Riding discipline, thanks to Jay. A7V2 (talk) 00:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Combined content from four articles and added section Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's#Criticism of the Riding discipline. Jay 💬 16:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I agree that the newly written section is a good target for this redirect. Former vote was also 'redirect', but to a different target; this one is better. Although I recommend using the "Saint Boy" anchor I put there to avoid future problems when someone changes that section heading. → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's#Saint Boy ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Minister for Cities
[edit]- Minister for Cities → Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government#List of ministers for cities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Minister for cities → Cabinet Office#Ministers and Civil Servants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- City Minister,
- Regional minister#Developments since 2010
- Minister for Planning (New South Wales)#Cities
- Minister for Cities (Australia)
- Minister for the Environment and Water (Australia)#List of ministers for cities and the built environment
- Angus Taylor (politician)#Assistant Minister for Cities and Digital Transformation
- Minister for Cities and Rural Areas (mentioned at Frederiksen II Cabinet#List of ministers)
- Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population (mentioned at First Morrison ministry#Outer ministry
- Minister for cities and urban development (Cote D'Ivoire, mentioned at François Amichia)
- State Secretary for Cities (mentioned at Borne government#State Secretaries)
- Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy and a "Minister for cities" (mentioned at Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Scotland)
- (some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius talk 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest moving Minister for Cities (Australia) → Minister for Cities and moving Minister for Cities → Minister for Cities (disambiguation). The Australian portfolio (being extant) is the primary topic. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate/set indexify per Thryduulf and Modest Genius. Term is too generic for a primary topic redirect to a specific position. C F A 💬 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: A requested move was made regarding these redirects and procedurally closed + no consensus because this discussion is ongoing; permalink: Special:Permalink/1240763459. Fork99 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There is also a Ministry of Cities in Brazil. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Per CFA, I also think that the title is too ambiguous and generic to have a primary topic - the Australian one might be "extant" per DilatoryRevolution as of right now, but this could change in the future as political portfolios get shuffled around fairly often. Fork99 (talk) 07:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate/setindexify at minister for cities; as WP:DIFFCAPS it should not redirect to the Australian topic in any case. A generic term and multiple non-Aussie uses; the lower case form would be appropriate for grouping in "secretary" etc. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Bīn
[edit]What the! Should redirect to Bin instead, surely. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's apparently a hanyu pinyin reading for... a bunch of old(?) chinese lemmas. i got nothing. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- i think "been" would rely too much on one accent of one language in certain conditions, so i don't think that one would work either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect. This is a transcription of multiple different Chinese characters that have meanings including "visitor, guest", "in a hurry", "today", "elegant, refined", "place", "sprinting, quick" and pronunciations including "wǎng", "bin", "bin", "ban", "pîn", "kǔn", "kwan" (both a far from complete lists). I'm not seeing any obvious primary topic in English. Thryduulf (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- This used to be a disambig page with entries of Pungi and Veena, and Shhhnotsoloud redirected it to the current target with
Redirect to other disambiguation page that contains all the entries
. Pungi does have this term in its lead. Jay 💬 11:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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- REtarget to bin (disambiguation), and add any entries that are needed, such as pointed out by Jay -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
April 8, 2024 (Monday)
[edit]- April 8, 2024 (Monday) → Solar eclipse of April 8, 2024 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unused, unlikely search term since April 8, 2024 exists and points to the same place. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or delete: I am in favor of either changing the target back to where I originally had it (I had it there for the purposes of the hatnote which I have just removed because someone retargeted it to the eclipse article) or deleting the redirect. Entirely up to you; I’ll back either option. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note, I've tagged April 8, 2024 as an {{R from date}}. Delete this title as it is impossible for April 8th 2024 to be any other day of the week besides Monday, there is nothing to disambiguate. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, far too specific to be a plausible search term. Esolo5002 (talk) 18:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} would almost work, but since April 8, 2024 can never be not on a Monday it can't. mwwv converse∫edits 11:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above comments, and I seriously doubt someone would search something that specific to get to a specific article. SirMemeGod 15:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Incredibly unlikely as a search term. JeffSpaceman (talk) 15:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Casey Simpson
[edit]- Casey Simpson → Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn#Cast (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:RETURNTORED "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject." applies. Name is listed but no information about the subject is in the current target and in the many potential alternative targets that just list had an acting role. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This kind of link is unhelpful and misleading for the reader. Reasonably expecting that the link will deliver some general information about the subject, the reader instead finds only that the subject was an actor in a particular film, with no explanation of why that film was selected. This is a counter-intuitive and bad user experience. Tobyhoward (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Tobyhoward has summarized the main points well enough, but I would highlight WP:REDLINK too:
I would also refer interested parties to the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film#Redirection_of_actor_to_film, where redirects are discussed in the particular context of actors. Betty Logan (talk) 21:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)It may be possible to turn the red link into a redirect to an article section where the subject is covered as part of a broader topic (see Notability – Whether to create standalone pages). But please do not "kill" red links by redirect because their red color (annoying to some readers) seems to scream for a fix. It is easy to turn any red link blue by creating a redirect, but valid red links exist for a reason, and they are the "buds" from which new Wikipedia articles grow.
- Delete, the individual is in multiple movies covered on Wikipedia, including Escape from Mr. Lemoncello's Library (film). Utopes (talk / cont) 00:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
A?
[edit]Not mentioned in article. Edit summary for creation says "look at the logo" but the logo is "A!" mwwv converse∫edits 17:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The old logo when the redir was created in 2022 was "A?", as still shown on it's page in Finnish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zinderboff (talk • contribs) 18:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete as vague, regardless of previous logos. seemingly not well-covered enough to warrant keeping, very unlikely that it's the primary topic for a common letter followed by one of two common punctuation marks. also, come on, there's no apostrophe in "its" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Cogsan. In addition, this could plausibly be a phonetic misspelling of Eh?. Steel1943 (talk) 19:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to A (disambiguation), and itemize there (the university can be listed with 'A?', 'A!', 'A"' (A-double-quote) logo variants; other uses of "A?" can also be listed -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Don't delete — valid search term based on the university logo, but still vague. So leaning towards retargetting to the DAB page. Cremastra (talk) 21:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
The five sauces
[edit]- The five sauces → Sauce#French cuisine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to the french mother sauces (as there's currently 5 of them). was going to retarget there and call it a day, but there's a non-zero chance that there's another instances of five sauces i'm missing. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- on a semi-related note, grand sauce is also a redirect to sauce. gonna be a
naughtybold boy and do with it whatever is done with this one cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Exactly what is the problem? Andrewa (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to French mother sauces. Though "five sauces" is potentially ambiguous, in regards to content on enwiki, the French meaning is clearly the primary topic, so we should target the main article rather than a section at a broader article. (And I support retargeting grand sauce there as well, though am surprised we don't have grand sauces as a redirect.) Mdewman6 (talk) 01:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to French mother sauces. There's no ambiguity here, the 'five' term is very commonly used, even though the number has varied historically according to some different sources. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Living Marxism (US)
[edit]- Living Marxism (US) → International Council Correspondence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target, failed to verify the relationship with the target. ToadetteEdit (talk) 15:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The target article includes
In 1938, it changed its name to Living Marxism
and includes a source that verifies this. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Weaner
[edit]Would this be better directed to Wiener as a misspelling? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep it the way it is. I expanded the article and added sources... especially to explain weaner. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 08:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weaner was an orphan, but I found "weaner" used in a dozen agriculture articles and wikilinked them to Weaner. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 19:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep due to the changes made to the article. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Grorp. A7V2 (talk) 11:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Dr. Paisley
[edit]- Dr. Paisley → Ian Paisley (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I can't imagine this common of a name would be unambiguously affiliated with the target, who doesn't appear to have actually been a physician. They did have an honorary doctorate, but I don't believe that's enough for this to be a valid redirect. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paisley (name). I created the redir because I saw a source referencing him as "Dr. Paisley", I didn't know that it was a common English surname. Zinderboff(talk) 14:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Contrary to the nom's imagination, this is actually unambiguous. The only other person mentioned at Paisley (name) with a doctorate is Paisley Currah and I can find no evidence that he is referred to as "Dr. Paisley". Indeed googling "Dr Paisley" Currah -"Dr Paisley Currah" returns only a single result [44] which actually uses "Dr Paisley Currah" but has a linebreak between his first and surnames. On the contrary, Ian Paisley is referred to as "Dr. Paisley", see e.g. [45], [46], [47], [48] Thryduulf (talk) 15:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paisley (name) Way too ambiguous. When I search "Dr. Paisley," I get loads of hits and very few of them are for the current target. Admittedly, most of the hits are for non-notable individuals, but I don't think we should assume readers are specifically searching for Ian Paisley. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- When there is only one notable person with a name, we redirect to that person regardless of how many non-notable individuals also have that name. There is no reason not to do the same here. Thryduulf (talk) 17:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just don't think there's enough evidence he is the primary topic here. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any evidence for any other notable person being referred to by this name? My research indicates the answer is no, meaning Ian Paisley is not only the primary topic but the only topic. Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just don't think there's enough evidence he is the primary topic here. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- When there is only one notable person with a name, we redirect to that person regardless of how many non-notable individuals also have that name. There is no reason not to do the same here. Thryduulf (talk) 17:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Yes, this is a very solid reference to one particular person. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Histionotophorus
[edit]Linked exclusively from its target: a WP:REDYES situation where a circular link does no good. Cremastra (talk) 12:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump
[edit]- Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump → Trump International Golf Club shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Someone attempted to assassinate Donald Trump in 2016 (2016 Donald Trump Las Vegas rally incident), so the second assassination attempt would be the one in Pennsylvania. With that in mind, I think the target of this redirect should be Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. ArcticSeeress (talk) 12:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump. I think the span of time and exactly how things have been covered makes this ambiguous. Particularly because that lists three incidents before this year that could plausibly be thought of as assassination attempts (forklift, ricin, ricin). Skynxnex (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump. Too ambiguous for any one incident to be the target. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Immediate procedural close. Seems this redirect/title has been mentioned multiple times at Talk:Trump International Golf Club shooting#Requested move 15 September 2024 as a location to move the current target of this redirect, Trump International Golf Club shooting. Also, this RfD was opened after the aforementioned move request; having two discussions at two different venues which could affect the same page/title is not cohesive to form adequate/accurate consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 19:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Security incidents involving Donald Trump lists at least four assassination attempts before the July attempt, and the list is almost certainly incomplete. We cannot assign numbers to any of these attempts with 100% certainty. - ZLEA T\C 23:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- '
Revert' to this version. I think suggesting common parlance is that the link goes to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump only two months after that incident is stretching what common parlance means. alternatively, would be fine with retargeting to Security incidents involving Donald Trump, especially if move discussion decides to merge the new article in. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 23:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)- @Bluethricecreamman you probably meant this comment to go in the section below for "Donald Trump shooting"? Skynxnex (talk) 03:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will move this accordingly. mobile edits and lack of sleep i suppose are the cause. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral per above. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will move this accordingly. mobile edits and lack of sleep i suppose are the cause. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Bluethricecreamman you probably meant this comment to go in the section below for "Donald Trump shooting"? Skynxnex (talk) 03:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump per Skynxnex -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete - I don't see anyone typing this as a phrase. If we do need to use it as a redirect, point it to the security incidents article, which will show many other attempts. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 02:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Donald Trump shooting
[edit]- Donald Trump shooting → Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump as there have been multiple gun incidents concerning Donald Trump listed; which are listed in this suggested target article. There's the Pennsylvanian incident at Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (July) and the one from today in Florida Trump International Golf Club shooting (September) amongst other incidents -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 05:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The Pennsylvania one is the clear primary topic. None of the other ones caused any injuries, and the golf one is the only other one that could even be called a shooting. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I maintain that the Pennsylvania one is the primary topic for "Donald Trump shooting" since the Florida one was not a shooting. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as primary topic. C F A 💬 13:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as primary topic Ecpiandy (talk) 17:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep no others that are "shootings". Natg 19 (talk) 23:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Housekeeping note: I don't know how to do all of the paperwork for it, but there are a few other redirects that should probably be bundled into this discussion, namely Trump shooting and Shooting of Donald Trump. Left guide (talk) 01:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Left guide: You can use
{{subst:rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}
to add additional entries to this section. On the redirects, you need to use{{subst:rfd|1=< section header >|days=N|content= < redirect contents go here > }}
to place the RFD banner on those pages. The "N" parameter is how many days prior to today is the nomination located at. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Left guide: You can use
- Revert to this version. I think suggesting common parlance is that the link goes to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump only two months after that incident is stretching what common parlance means. alternatively, would be fine with retargeting to Security incidents involving Donald Trump, especially if move discussion decides to merge the new article in. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Convert to a disambiguation page or retarget – as there have been multiple incidents with Donald Trump involving guns. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 19:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE the original target was renamed. It is now at Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Pennsylvania, showing editors there think their title was ambiguous. Attempted assassination of Donald Trump has itself become a disambiguation page. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment To all people registering an opinion: @QuicoleJR, CFA, Ecpiandy, and Natg 19: To those who expressed that there is a primary topic in Pennsylvania, is that still the case with Pennsylvania no longer being the primary topic of "attempted assassination" ? @Bluethricecreamman and Hurricane Clyde: To those who expressed thoughts about disambiguation, should a separate disambiguation page be created? In my case, I still think that the new disambiguation page and this pagename should just redirect to the "security incidents" page -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- The current move closure is clearly going to be overturned because the closer voted in the discussion. I still believe that the July attempt is obviously the primary topic, but if a wider RM consensus determines there is no primary topic then I suppose this and all the other associated redirects should be redirected to the broad-concept article, Security incidents involving Donald Trump. C F A 💬 02:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- The closure was overturned as relist; so the article on the July Pennsylvania event returned to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump, though that can still change again, as it is an open move request. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 02:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment To all people registering an opinion: @QuicoleJR, CFA, Ecpiandy, and Natg 19: To those who expressed that there is a primary topic in Pennsylvania, is that still the case with Pennsylvania no longer being the primary topic of "attempted assassination" ? @Bluethricecreamman and Hurricane Clyde: To those who expressed thoughts about disambiguation, should a separate disambiguation page be created? In my case, I still think that the new disambiguation page and this pagename should just redirect to the "security incidents" page -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (September 2024). The accused didn't do any shooting so the current title is misleading. And both of these incidents should be dismbiguated based on the date, not the location. --ZimZalaBim talk 02:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- The target at the time this "shooting" redirect discussion started was the July Pennsylvania incident, where Trump was shot in the ear, not the September Florida incident. The discussion above this one, about the "second attempted" redirect pointed to the September Florida incident. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Over by over
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 23#Over by over
Stray (film)
[edit]- Stray (film) → Stray#Film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I just made this edit to Stray regarding the subject mentioned at Stray (video game)#Film adaptation. However, it seems this subject may be the only film subject on Wikipedia titled just "Stray" without "A" or "The" before it, or the plural version "Strays". (See the redirect's current target for more details). For this reason, I am bringing up this discussion to see if my initial thought is a better option that the alternative I implemented: retarget to Stray (video game)#Film adaptation and then add a hatnote there referring back to Stray#Film in the case of ambiguity. Also note the existence of Draft:Stray (film), a draft about the subject mentioned in Stray (video game)#Film adaptation. Steel1943 (talk) 23:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The Stray (film) is a separate article unlike the film here and per WP:SMALLDETAILS "The Stray" is a variant of "Stray" so the absence likely doesn't distingish. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Code phrase
[edit]vague? could refer to passwords or code words, for starters cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to code word (figure of speech) appears right, with a hatnote to passphrase. Euphemism is way too broad to serve as target. Paradoctor (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per Paradoctor, "euphemisim" is too broad and imprecise; code word (a disambiguation page) seems to cover all the options here, and is my preferred new target, rather than trying to cover contingencies with hatnotes. "Hooray, hooray, for the spinster's sister's daughter!" Cremastra (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget to Code word (figure of speech)? Or to Code word?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Code word (figure of speech). The code word disambiguation page actually doesn't have any targets besides this one that fit a code phrase... the other links have to do with the exact match of "code word", like boardgames and puzzles by that name. While the DAB page does have this link, I don't see any reason to send our searcher there. Fieari (talk) 05:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the code word dab, as it has the passcode, access code meanings that Code word (figure of speech) doesn't. Jay 💬 09:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Jay. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no clear consensus between code word (figure of speech) and code word.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Complex/Rational 23:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
7777
[edit]Feel status minus Actual status Inconsistency
[edit]- Feel status minus Actual status Inconsistency → Body image (neuroscience) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not mentioned at target (in over 10 years) seems to be created for listing at dab FAI as the only user, but I'm removing that dab entry as it fails WP:DABACRO and wouldn't be used anyway due to incorrect capitalisation. Widefox; talk 20:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's an index [49], that could indeed be listed at FAI. The capitalisation *seems* to be correct, although I'm not sure why the authors chose to capitalise it this way. In other sources [50] [51], sentence case seems to be preferred. I don't think there's enough information to write an article, but it might merit a mention at the target. Cremastra (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)- Apologies already for the wall-of-text input:
- The term (with same sort-of-dopey captialization) was indeed added in 2014 (by the redirect's creator) and still present up until a reworking in late July 2021. I have taken the liberty of re-adding the mention, as I discern no reason for its removal (made by an editor inactive since 2023). Per Cremestra and the mention in several papers, it seems notable enough for a mention at the target as well as the FAI dab page.
- I'm dubious as to the usefulness of the redirect due to its length, although it comes up nicely as the only choice when I type in "Feel status". However, if we keep it, I'd like to change the caps; although correctly matching the original 2014 paper's use, it's different on both the 2016 [2] and 2020 [3] papers mentioned by Cremestra. I personally prefer the last, from Social Science & Medicine, which uses hyphens, which seems (of the three styles) most easily understandable and conformant to English usage (and therefore what I used when restoring the text). In one paper's reviews Zaccagni (original paper's lead researcher) acknowledged a lack of facility with English (though the caps weren't explicitly mentioned); I don't know how much leeway we have in choosing a style. I do think it an unlikely capitalization for a WP user to type in, so I would lean toward Keep, but sentence-case it. It just looks wrong otherwise. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 20:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Texvc
[edit]Legacy cruft does not warrant a double soft redirect from mainspace. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget if a mention is added. The page was moved (without redirect) to project space in 2010 following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texvc reached no consensus. The redirect was recreated "since Meta has many links to this page, and I don't have access to a bot to correct Meta". The redirect gets over 400 hits a year with only a handful of days with zero visits, and I can find no evidence of anything else with this name so it's clearly providing value to those using it. I don't know how to filter out all the manpages, package lists, forum questions and programming snippets, etc. to assess whether this is notable enough for a mention somewhere, but someone who does know how to do that should do that. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Since there is no page in projectspace, it is a redirect to an offsite location, this is therefore a redirect to an offsite location, and not the proper use of a redirect. The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary. Per Thryduulf's stats, WP:REDLINK to allow creation of an article, should it prove notable. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary
this is incorrect. While Wiktionary is the most common target of soft redirects in the mainspace it is not the only one. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: unambiguous. Cremastra (talk) 01:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Mainspace -> Project namespace -> MediaWiki page = at least one WP:XNR too many. Steel1943 (talk) 23:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why? In what way is this harming anybody or anything? Thryduulf (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's too many redirections initially starting in a namespace not related to its final target. Such a title being in the "Wikipedia:" namespace (the redirect's target) makes sense, but not from the article namespace. That, and the acronym seems like it may be a subject which has either WP:REDYES potential as either a standalone article or a subtopic to add into TeX or AMS-LaTeX per the very text on the target of Wikipedia:Texvc. Steel1943 (talk) 18:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why? In what way is this harming anybody or anything? Thryduulf (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
T:WPMHA
[edit]- T:WPMHA → Template:WPMILHIST Announcements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
~Two incoming links. With the existence of the "TM" alias, TM:WPMHA is a totally sufficient shortcut for navigating to this page, in an effort to keep a confusing PNR out of namespace. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirect is 10 years old, which means it was definitely created before the namespace redirect TM: was created, and we generally keep old cross-namespace redirects. mwwv converse∫edits 11:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't disagree that the redirect predates "TM:". But 2014 is really not that old. Pseudo-namespace titles have been majorly contentious for much longer than a decade. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 November 18#T:WPTECH is an example of a heated discussion, but T: titles have been getting nominated since 2010 and earlier (on principle of being T: titles). So I'd hardly call 2014 a "longstanding example", especially as this title has never stood the test of time. As an example, T:AC has been the subject of 3 RfDs. T:WPMHA has been the subject of none, so there's no precedent of !keeping. It's only been "unearthed" as of today, basically. Compounded with WP:NORUSH to discuss this PNR sooner.
- We don't "generally keep" cross namespace redirects on the premise of "being old", so I'm really not sure where that statement comes from. Being old does not inherently give a title immunity. Especially so if the title is otherwise problematic, which cross-namespace redirects inherently are, especially ones from mainspace where our casual readers stick to. The "problematic"-factor is offset by some level of demonstrable utility, which is why such titles might stick.
- Quick aside: pseudo-namespace redirects =/= cross-namespace redirects. WP:PNRs are designed to allow for easily linking to a title, without the need to write out the whole prefix for the namespace. "Template" might only be 8 letters, but if you're typing it ten or so times a day for monitoring purposes, those keyclicks add up. PNR utility can come from either use in wikilinks, as well as use in a search bar.
- So let's examine demonstrable utility. This title was created in 2014, exclusively as a compromise when T:WPMA was getting deleted. Since its creation, it has only been used by one person, the creator, on this talk page. As far as T: titles might go, 1 usage per decade is on the low end. The wikilinks are easy to adjust. Pertaining to "use in a search bar", well, the TM: alias makes it easy to access ANY template now, so all search-bar-efficiency rationales are essentially caput for T: titles. (Unless, for some reason, there's a template on WP which is so vital that its "utterly necessary to shorten 'TM:' to 'T:', saving a singular keypress". That might've been the case when 7 key-presses were being saved by "T:", but now that it's down to 1, I'd be shocked if that's the case for any template on WP.)
- In closing, cross-namespace-redirects from mainspace are always unideal. Casual readers should not be accidentally falling through a trapdoor only to end up in the Wikipedia backrooms, if they can help it. T:kort, T:SCC among others, are content articles on in mainspace which "T:" titles actively infringe on. So PNRs of this type should be kept to a minimum, as they interfere with reader navigation to actual articles. Now that the TM: alias is a feature that exists, I predict most (if not all) "T:" titles will be deleted before the end of 2024, but that's just my own prediction and idk if that'll truly occur or not. But this I feel is one of the more uncontroversial ones to go; its a comparably easy two-link repair, and a solo nom to test the waters before a potential group nom of other T: titles. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
T:QB
[edit]T:TRACKLIST
[edit]"Beevor, Anthony"
[edit]- "Beevor, Anthony" → Antony Beevor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:UNNATURAL punctuation; Beevor, Anthony was redirected around the same time to the same page by the same user. Created in error? 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete although its existed since 2012 its always been a redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Quotes have no more place around this title than any other. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW I put some logic into MediaWiki:Searchmenu-new a few years ago that offers the option to create either redlink or "redlink" if you Special:Search/"redlink"; before that, only "redlink" would be linked. I'd be curious if there's any way to see if creations like this have gone down since then. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 19:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
January 3, 2003
[edit]- January 3, 2003 → 2003#January (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This day is not discussed at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 16:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portal:Current events/2003 January 3 where information on that date can be found. -- Tavix (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
26, November, 2006
[edit]- 26, November, 2006 → 2006#November (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This day is not discussed at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 16:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per, nom. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- The issue stated in the nomination statement can be resolved by retargeting to Portal:Current events/2006 November 26. However the real issue should be the formatting. -- Tavix (talk) 03:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Huh? There's nothing wrong with the formatting. "Day, Month, Year" is totally plausible. The issue is a lack of coverage of this date in mainspace, for a mainspace search term where readers predict, and expect, to end up in mainspace when typing it. A blue-link here is misleading to prospective searchers, when we have no mainspace coverage for such a term. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay then, Retarget to Portal:Current events/2006 November 26 where there are plenty of mainspace links to events that happened on that day. -- Tavix (talk) 13:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Huh? There's nothing wrong with the formatting. "Day, Month, Year" is totally plausible. The issue is a lack of coverage of this date in mainspace, for a mainspace search term where readers predict, and expect, to end up in mainspace when typing it. A blue-link here is misleading to prospective searchers, when we have no mainspace coverage for such a term. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
16 August 2006
[edit]- 16 August 2006 → 2006#August (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This date is not discussed at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I have added an event occurring on 16 August 2006 to the target page 2006#August. --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portal:Current events/2006 August 16 where information about the date can be found. -- Tavix (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is now content about this title in mainspace, which supercedes portal space in every capacity. The overarching question is mainly about whether it's preferable to have undiscussed dates be red links, or portal links, which seems to be the divide here. WP:REDYES encourages such titles to remain red, in order to encourage article creation and encyclopedic additions to mainspace. An uneditable portal of decades past does not foster the spirit of collaboration, when a date could have encyclopedically valuable content added to an article at any time, such as what Neo-Jay graciously contributed above. This is also the type of content-style that people using a mainspace search term are looking for. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- If someone wants to add more to the mainspace article that'd be ideal. But as it stands now, the Portal gives much more information on what occurred on the day in question along with plenty of links to the relevant mainspace content should that be what someone wants. -- Tavix (talk) 13:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is now content about this title in mainspace, which supercedes portal space in every capacity. The overarching question is mainly about whether it's preferable to have undiscussed dates be red links, or portal links, which seems to be the divide here. WP:REDYES encourages such titles to remain red, in order to encourage article creation and encyclopedic additions to mainspace. An uneditable portal of decades past does not foster the spirit of collaboration, when a date could have encyclopedically valuable content added to an article at any time, such as what Neo-Jay graciously contributed above. This is also the type of content-style that people using a mainspace search term are looking for. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Swimming at the 2022 Summer Youth Olympics
[edit]- Swimming at the 2022 Summer Youth Olympics → 2026 Summer Youth Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Event moved to 2026. So this redirect is no longer needed. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Trying to sort this out (for myself, at least): In 2020, a user (Dinnerbrone) created a redirect for (only) swimming at the 2022 SYO event to point to the 2022 SYO page, but then, due to COVID-19, the event (swimming and archery and everything else) was rescheduled to 2026. Our 2022 SYO article was renamed over a redirect in January 2021, at which point a bot came by to fix the double redirect.
- I'm somewhat confused because I don't see why the redirect was particularly helpful in the first place, and it seems that's the only sport for which that user created a redirect. I thought there would be a slew of other redirects to deal with, but I do not find that to be the case. So, I'm agreeing with nominator: delete; nobody's going to be looking for one activity at an event that (although planned) never even happened. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 17:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
January 1, 2003
[edit]- January 1, 2003 → Portal:Current events/2003 January 1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- January 2, 2003 → Portal:Current events/2003 January 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- October 10, 2010 → Portal:Current events/2010 October 10 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- May 5, 2020 → Portal:Current events/2020 May 5 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 24 February 2022 → Portal:Current events/2022 February 24 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 21 § January 1, 2003 – no consensus
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 July 1 § October 10, 2010 – no consensus
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 5 § May 5, 2020 – retarget
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 24 § 24 February 2022 – retarget
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 22 § January 1, 2003 – retarget
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 22 § January 2, 2003 – retarget
Per #7 October 2023 below, cc Utopes. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Genuinely shocked to see this one here, as this doesn't appear in Category:Redirects to portal space, which I believed to be automatically updating by any titles in mainspace that point to titles in portalspace. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately barely any rcats are applied automatically. Maybe they should, since there is definitely at least a five-digit number of them that are missing the tags. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't think this one was tied to an rcat, I was under the impression that the category was detecting a page in the 0th namespace (main), targeting a page in the 100th namespace (portal), and just auto-populating from there. Thanks for the heads up re: this, then. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately barely any rcats are applied automatically. Maybe they should, since there is definitely at least a five-digit number of them that are missing the tags. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4:, do you know how many others like this are out there? I definitely misspoke in my previous nomination. I was thinking this in the previous nomination, but honestly, it might be nice to create a category for "date redirects" to easily monitor and maintain the targets of these and similar titles, but I wasn't sure the total scope and how many of such redirects exist at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes, I've bundled the remaining four redirects into this nomination. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Upon looking through the histories of these and other discussions, I am not surprised all of these have been nominated at RfD before, including from myself. As an example, for May 5th 2020, which was discussed here in this 2021 discussion, Tavix was involved in the RfD, and cited 06/06/06 as being a "past precedent" of targeting Portal pages. However 06/06/06 no longer points at the Portalspace (it targets 2006#June), so the argument of precedent in that situation falls flat. The other early discussion in 2017 for October 10, 2010, was closed as NO consensus, implying that it is not a consensus. (This situation was no consensus to target away from Portal space, but was later followed by a subsequent RfD in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 July 1#April 9, 2011, where there was no consensus to target TO portal space, which cited and was cited by the previous "no consensus" result in both.)
- For the remaining two dates in January 2023, I nominated them here under the premise that there is no mainspace coverage for these dates, and wished for them to be deleted. Jay requested my comment towards Tavix's proposal of retargeting to Portal space, (which I would have otherwise disagreed with due to no substantial & lasting precedent of individual dates sticking around for long at portal targets) and 14 minutes later the discussion was closed by Rosguill as retarget. The fact that these have all been to RfD before on multiple occasions each implies that there is some level of disagreement and NOT a set-in-stone precedent on what to do, especially when titles such as January 6th, 2021 (which, upon re-examining, actually has a different target than January 6 2021, and 1/6/21 and 1/6/2021), which (all) imply to readers that typing in a date into the mainspace search-bar will result in a mainspace outcome. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to January 2003. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- As for the others; they should also be retargeted to their respective year/month articles in main space. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to January 2003. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all (and create the rest!). Anyone searching these dates will want to know what happened on that date and the Portal gives that information. -- Tavix (talk) 02:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I find it more likely that someone going to Wikipedia to search a date is likely trying to find encyclopedic content in mainspace, related to the date they inputted into Wikipedia. Not a list of WikiProject-handpicked stories that happened that day. If someone wants to know "what happened on January 2nd, 2003", they'd ask a Google Search for a more summative assessment. What do you mean by "creating the rest"? Utopes (talk / cont) 05:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The portal does in fact link to encyclopedic content in mainspace related to that day. I'm not sure why you think a Google search would give a more summative assessment, that's rather-famously the major downside to Google searches—they dump an assortment of results that may or may not be useful. (So much so that Google has begun to give AI summaries in an effort to be more useful to someone who wants a quick answer...) On the other hand, a curated list of encyclopedic events is much more useful to someone wanting to know what happened on a given day. And the fact that they are curated by a 'project' of Wikipedia editors is even better because these are people who are experienced with this task. -- Tavix (talk) 13:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I find it more likely that someone going to Wikipedia to search a date is likely trying to find encyclopedic content in mainspace, related to the date they inputted into Wikipedia. Not a list of WikiProject-handpicked stories that happened that day. If someone wants to know "what happened on January 2nd, 2003", they'd ask a Google Search for a more summative assessment. What do you mean by "creating the rest"? Utopes (talk / cont) 05:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Dota 2 heroes
[edit]- List of Dota 2 heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of Dota 2 Heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target contains no such list. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. There's always a proper wiki for that in-game list. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ahri Boy: That's not a basis for speedy deletion. See WP:NOTCSD#1. SilverLocust 💬 06:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The redirect was per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dota 2 Heroes. Even at the time, there was not a list at that target (permalink), just a mention of
111 "Hero" characters
with a primary ref:"Heroes". Valve Corporation. Retrieved February 13, 2015.
SilverLocust 💬 07:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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7 October 2023
[edit]- 7 October 2023 → Portal:Current events/2023 October 7 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
We do not redirect dates to portalspace. For the infinite dates in history that could have redirects, only this one targets portalspace. Of the two described major events that occurred on this date, Operation Al-Aqsa Flood has 132,000 monthly pageviews while 2023 Herat earthquakes has 1,000 monthly pageviews, and at the time this was discussed that was considered the only other major event of note. This is a likely search term and should have a mainspace target, as all other date redirects do. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or make disambiguation page to retarget per nomination. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll clarify that my stance is either have this target 2023#October, or 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel as the primary topic standing the test of time for this date. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete i'm not a fan of dates being redirects. Too vague and are mostly implausible searches that are too much headache for what they are worth. If everyone else really wants to keep it, Redirect to 2023#October would be my (distant) second option. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to either October 2023; 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel; or create a disambiguation page. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 20:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note from last RfD's closer. I'm skeptical of "We do not redirect dates to portalspace" as a blanket statement, but I'll just repeat my closing comment of "Basically a toss-up between that and 2023#October, but slightly leaning toward the portal". So that seems the logical thing to fall back to if people have become dissatisfied with the portal's approach. I think any argument for deletion here would be a serious uphill battle for an obviously plausible search term.Also, @Utopes, one thing that seems to have escaped notice is that October 7, 2023, October 7 2023, and Oct 7, 2023 all exist, targeting the attack. Not sure how you want to handle those. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies about the blanket statement; I've since been proven wrong about that. 1234qwer's assessment revealed 5 other dates which are redirecting to portal space, which have been nominated above. (In fact, the only reason why I said there were no others, was because you went through the correct diligence & proper rcatting during the previous RfD, and correctly labeled this one as a "redirect to portal space". 😅 This made it the first item in Category:Redirects to portal space, the category I came across, and the only item which is a date in this category. Hence my belief that this was the only one, and that if we DID target individual dates to portal space, there'd be a precedent populating here. So thank you for the correct rcat 🙏). The blanket statement was therefore premature because there were other dates that were, but were NOT tagged with the rcat.
- I did not intend on nominating October 7, 2023, October 7 2023, or Oct 7, 2023. I agree that these should all have the same target, but the primary purpose of this nomination was to identify a target outside of portal space, which could be for the attack, or for 2023#October if people are divided on this point. But I do think "retargeting this to 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel to match the targets of the other redirects for this date" is a suitable outcome. I don't have a concern with the others, as they target mainspace titles at this moment.
- This is likely going to be a start of a larger movement towards how we deal with date redirects on Wikipedia, as there are a number of inconsistencies between different targets for different formats of the same date. At the very least, I intend on categorizing all of them in the next couple months, depending on how big of a project it is. There's a lot of inconsistencies between different date formats targeting different titles with seemingly little difference between. An example is January 6th, 2021 and January 6 2021 having different targets, which I just stumbled across. This is certainly a problem, but I don't know how widespread this problem is, and how many dates this effects, so I don't intend to do too many at once for these. Another example is how January 2, 2003 targets Portal space, but January 3, 2003 does not; also an inconsistency which I hope can be addressed soon. But in the meantime, if there is a suitable mainspace title that can be identified for the portal-space CNRs, that would make the subsequent discussions a bit more streamlined, I'd imagine.
- To answer your original question @Tamzin:, I won't object to anyone adding October 7, 2023 and the others to this nomination if anyone'd like. But for me personally, I don't have an immediate problem with their current targets, at this current time. I'll likely be going back through every date redirect that exists all at once, based on some pre-created criteria, to do some type of en-masse nomination & discussion, but I wasn't thinking about that right now. If you think it WOULD be beneficial to have those dates in this RfD, that works for me and I can get those added, but yea I wasn't originally going to. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I've created a new rcat, for {{R from date}}, which is designed for redirects consisting of a specific date, and point to an event or a description of one or more events, which discuss the date. I'll add a few to the rcat for now (mainly because a lot of these dates may not be discussed at their current targets, and may or may not stick around for long). But hopefully, this rcat allows for a more manageable look over all of the date redirects that currently exist on Wikipedia, which there is a large amount of, and can assist with recognition and maintenance of the date redirects we have at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. The date has become a common short way to refer to this attack. -- Tavix (talk) 02:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
MOS:NDASH: other uses
[edit].Albizia chinensis
[edit]2022 Surat building collapse
[edit]European Hollywood
[edit]March 27 Movement
[edit]Footman Frenzy
[edit]- Footmen Frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Footmen frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Huh? * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Apparently this was a thing - a game-within-the-game that once had a substantial (but basically unsourced) article. See here, here, here. In other words, a thing that exists, may be worth a mention, but can not support an article of its own. BD2412 T 01:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes indeed, a popular custom game and perhaps worth a mention, but as it's not mentioned now, delete. It was not a particularly important one at the end of the day, unlike DotA's leading what became the MOBA genre, so I don't anticipate being added any time soon. IznoPublic (talk) 02:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and IznoPublic. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just tagged Footmen Frenzy with {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 11:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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Standard for the Andalusian Language
[edit]- Standard for the Andalusian Language → Standard for Andalusian (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This name does not exist. Looking up "Standard for the Andalusian Language" in Google only brings Wikipedia mirrors. The would-be Spanish translation, "Estándar para el idioma andaluz", does not bring one single Google result, though it suggests the target page. This redirect came as a result of a newer user translating an article and choosing this name, which I moved to an accurate translation. Super Ψ Dro 11:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Unambiguous and harmless standard {{R from move}}. The article was at this title for 2 months until about half an hour before this nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- ...what? Thryduulf, you're arguing to keep a made-up proper name. Not a descriptive title, such as "Proposed standard orthography for an Andalusian language", any of which could be kept so long as it makes sense; but a made-up proper name. Where in Wikipedia's policies is it allowed to defend WP:OR and false proper names? Super Ψ Dro 20:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know what more I can say than what I said above: This is a redirect from a move, which we routinely keep because there will likely still be links to the old title (including from outside Wikipedia) and people will continue to expect to find it at that title. The title is also unambiguous (there are no other articles to which it could refer) meaning there is nothing to disambiguate and people arriving here will not be surprised to arrive at the target article. Additionally there is no other reason why the title is harmful, meaning there is no other reason to delete it. Policies like original research are not relevant to redirects in the same way they apply to article content or to the title of the article. Thryduulf (talk) 09:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- ...what? Thryduulf, you're arguing to keep a made-up proper name. Not a descriptive title, such as "Proposed standard orthography for an Andalusian language", any of which could be kept so long as it makes sense; but a made-up proper name. Where in Wikipedia's policies is it allowed to defend WP:OR and false proper names? Super Ψ Dro 20:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, which makes it seem as though the redirect and the target are not the same. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf due to the recency of the move. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Online education
[edit]- Online education → Distance education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online Education → Educational technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 14 § Online education – retarget to Distance education
Seems ambiguous. There is also Online school. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget [Online Education] to Distance education. Thanks to the COVID pandemic happening, this seems to be the primary redirect topic for these terms with Educational technology and Online school being potential subtopics when referring to the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Listed the previous RfD. Note that there was a disambig page Online learning that was discussed there. Jay 💬 11:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, the discovery/existence of the aforementioned disambiguation page does not change my stance. Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Speako
[edit]seems to refer to speech errors in general, and not just spoonerisms. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to wikt:speako, which is indeed defined as
a mistake made when speaking
, and not a spoonerism in particular. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to wikt:speako, which is indeed defined as
The game (the game)
[edit]- The game (the game) → The Game (mind game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unnecessary duplication (unnecessary duplication). Implausible. Alongside this, congrats on losing the game! mwwv converse∫edits 20:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to
The game#Sports and gamesThe Game#Sports and games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC) - Delete due to the use of the definite article in the disambiguator. Second choice is to retarget to The game#Sports and games as {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} per Steeel1943. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: This deletion nomination is just trolling? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think a WP:GF failure is a valid keep rationale. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete (delete) as an WP:RDAB. I don't see anyone actually being helped by this. If kept, it should be retargeted per Steel. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RDAB does not apply here; there are technically no errors in the format and potential capitalization (and spelling) errors are irrelevant because it is not a variation of 'disambiguation'. For example, a redirect such as Band (band) would be appropriate for a band named 'Band'. Thus, we cannot write these off wholesale. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep - the rationale for this redirect is that it is referring to the ambiguous phrase the game in the context of something that is specifically known as "the game". This seems at least somewhat plausible, and I don't see anything that would be gained by deletion - no evidence has been put forward that this redirect is causing actual harm. Hog Farm Talk 14:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to The game#Sports and games as potentially ambiguous, not opposed to a keep though. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the disambiguator doesn't disambiguate anything. It's as ambiguous as The Game, so that would be the only target I could (weakly) support. -- Tavix (talk) 03:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. The disambiguation adds no value. Just because one might say "Foobar", only to repeat it a second time, while winking and nodding to send a subtle message (just what I'm imagining in my head; maybe that's what's trying to be done here), it doesn't translate well into text though, and definitely not as a redirect. Apple (apple) is not fair game, and neither is this. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Game#Sports and games Contrastive focus reduplication is a thing so it seems likely that some redirects of this pattern are going to be plausible and useful search terms (not quite the same but e.g. Fenchurch Street (street) is a logical way to distinguish the road from the station named for it) so we shouldn't dismiss this out of hand. This would only be a plausible search term for things called "the game" which could plausible be described as "the game", that applies to at least two entries on the dab page (The Game (mind game) and The Game (dice game) (it might also apply to any of the other entries in that section of the dab except the company, but I've not investigated), neither of which is primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 12:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Master Levels
[edit]- Master Levels → Doom II#Master Levels for Doom II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
surprisingly, doom 2 is the primary topic for this... just seemingly not to the extent that it completely drowns out results to other things that might use this relatively vague term. doom eternal also uses this name i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. My research agrees that the current target is the primary topic, and is more common than all the other uses put together to the extent that no other meaning got more than 1 hit on the first three pages of search results and even when excluding "doom" from the search term most other results were passing collocations. If there is something else that this is a useful search term for then it can be included in a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This phrase also has particular affinity for some The Legend of Zelda games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Current target is a WP:PTM. The usage of the term in reference to Zelda is more of a search term than an official title. Deletion seems the way to go. Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Which Zelda games? The closest I could find was The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time § Master Quest. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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Hastings East (Vancouver)
[edit]- Hastings East (Vancouver) → Vancouver (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Could refer to East Hastings, or to a more general neighbourhood/area as in [52]. Thoughts? Cremastra (talk) 21:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't actually think deletion is the best option here. It's definitely an option, but it's not part of my nomination. Cremastra (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Where would you suggest retargeting? We can also let the search results deal with it. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't actually think deletion is the best option here. It's definitely an option, but it's not part of my nomination. Cremastra (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Additional thoughts?
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- East Hastings is a redirect so it would not be an appropriate target page. Liz Read! Talk! 17:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know, I'm using the redirect deliberately to say that "East Hastings" is covered at the article Hastings Street (Vancouver). It would be a {{r from avoided double redirect}}. Cremastra (talk) 12:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No plausible target has been provided yet for this redirect…
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Operation Dryfront
[edit]- Operation Dryfront → Operation Wetback (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, no Google hits. This seems to be the literal opposite of "wetback", which I doubt makes this a helpful redirect, so I propose it be deleted. Complex/Rational 14:50, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I originally made it due to it being used to talk about the operation in the political space on twitch, primarily by hasanabi, as the term is considered a slur. If that's not enough for a redirect, fair enough. Emma0mb talk 18:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. While I'm only seeing one google hit for "operation dryfront" (but it wouldn't find uses in Twitch videos) and a couple more for "operation dry front", "dryfront" and "dry front" alone do get multiple uses in this context as ways to avoid using a slur. Indeed at least one use is to bypass a forum filter that prevented linking to an encyclopaedia article about the operation. While the redirect wasn't used between creation on 14 August and nomination, that's not a long enough time to reliably demonstrate how useful or otherwise the redirect is, especially when the target typically only gets a few hundred hits a day. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Upper chest
[edit]Michael Klein (businessman) (disambiguation)
[edit]Sam H.
[edit]Draft:2023 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup
[edit]- Draft:2023 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup → Punjab Kings (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pointless redirect to an unrelated page. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- This seems to have been WP:BLARed and then draftified (while being a redirect). 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well there's history so it shouldn't be deleted. C F A 💬 01:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't that only apply if the page's former contents were copied/merged elsewhere? jlwoodwa (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but this a draftspace redirect so there's really no harm in keeping it in case someone wants to retrieve the content. C F A 💬 18:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't that only apply if the page's former contents were copied/merged elsewhere? jlwoodwa (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There may be a rationale for discussing that a certain editor be temporarily banned from moving pages. (I'll leave it at that as I don't feel like getting too far in the weeds right now.) Steel1943 (talk) 02:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that 2023 Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup is now a redirect to Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup (though that article is subject to a deletion discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sher-E-Punjab T20 Cup). I think a sensible action for this redirect is to restore the former article as a draft (that may have been Spinin's intention, and the only other major contributor has been indef blocked). If someone then wanted to bring it back to the mainspace they would be welcome to do so but I don't know how likely it would be to survive an AfD, it may depend on the outcome of the other AfD. A7V2 (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Brian de Regt
[edit]- Brian de Regt → pl:Brian De Regt (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brian De Regt → Brian de Regt (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, unless there is an appropriate local target for this page. Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful. Additionally, the plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (WP:SOFTSP). See here for precedents. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The only mention on en.wp is at Rowayton, Connecticut#Notable people; such sections are normally reserved for people with their own article and so should not be the target of redirects from names. Thryduulf (talk) 11:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, and change to Brian De Regt . Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand what you are suggesting. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- +1 — Godsy (TALKCONT) 22:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4 and Godsy: Sounds like they are suggesting this become a transwiki redirect towards pl:Brian De Regt ... which I strongly oppose. Steel1943 (talk) 03:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think they're suggesting changing it from a soft redirect to an interlanguage link, which would be even less helpful for readers than the soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4 and Godsy: Sounds like they are suggesting this become a transwiki redirect towards pl:Brian De Regt ... which I strongly oppose. Steel1943 (talk) 03:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- +1 — Godsy (TALKCONT) 22:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand what you are suggesting. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. C F A 💬 01:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added Brian De Regt, a redirect to the soft redirect, to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Simplicial spectrum
[edit]- Simplicial spectrum → Simplicial set (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not explained at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
FCV Farul Constanța (women's football)
[edit]苔原
[edit]Template:R specific
[edit]- Template:R specific → Template:R from more specific name (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous; cf. {{R from less specific name}} (which is the same as {{R to more specific name}}). 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt as ambiguous per nom after all the incoming transclusions have been updated (I've done some of them). Mdewman6 (talk) 21:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell
[edit]- Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell → Wikipedia:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2024 Cornell (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Inappropriate WP:XNR. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
TEMPLATEDITOR
[edit]MPSB
[edit]GLAM/University of Miami Libraries/Tools and Guidelines
[edit]Year of Science
[edit]- Year of Science → Wikipedia:Year of Science (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is not the only "Year of Science" in existence, and such an WP:XNR can be confusing. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig or listify. There are many different years of science mentioned (mostly but not exclusively in passing) in various articles, and Annus mirabilis#1543 – The year of science and International years of science both exist. It wouldn't surprise me if there are also other relevant articles/sections as the search results contain a lot of irrelevant results too. Thryduulf (talk) 01:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Greater Wilmington Business Journal
[edit]Help page
[edit]Order of vanishing
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 21#Order of vanishing
Untitled Kendrick Lamar song
[edit]Orca ( 2020 film)
[edit]Six limbs ( Indian painting)
[edit]The Killers ( 1971 Egyptian Film)
[edit]LNK ( Lithuanian TV channel)
[edit]The Serpent ( Comic book)
[edit]Sua ( Folk music)
[edit]Ramrajya ( 2022 film)
[edit]Zephyr ( 1796 ship)
[edit]Thailand Under-19 cricket team
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 21#Thailand Under-19 cricket team
Housing s at Saint Joseph's University
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 21#Housing s at Saint Joseph's University
Weyl s equidistribution criterion
[edit]The Red Palace
[edit]- The Red Palace → Kuwait Red Fort (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Thanks to the "The", a book The Red Palace is the primary topic for this title, so this seems like a WP:REDYES WP:PLA situation. Cremastra (talk) 14:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate there's also Potala Palace, Lal Mahal, Red Palace and Red Square, 1–7 Constitution Hill, Birmingham; the Saudi one is mentioned at Saud of Saudi Arabia; and see also for Red Fort and Red Castle -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: created a stub at The Red Palace (novel), likely the primary topic so it should be moved to The Red Palace. No opinion on a disambiguation page at Red Palace (disambiguation). C F A 💬 16:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
A1P
[edit]Far-right riots
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 21#Far-right riots
True democracy
[edit]Blowing down
[edit]- Blowing down → Blowing up (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target; only content on this inverse operation that I could find on the English Wikipedia is at Castelnuovo's contraction theorem. The page itself was previously merged, though there wasn't a lot of content to being with either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I edited the article to mention blowing down as the inverse operation. I think that the redirect is reasonable, in that people might search for "blowing down". And the text now obeys WP:Redirect, I think. Mgnbar (talk) 12:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the search term is very plausible. Ideally, we would have a little more extensive information on this at the article, but thanks for adding that sentence at least. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't this point to a demolition topic? Blowing down buildings or bridges, etc. Or windstorm which meteorologically blow down things, as wind does -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that blowing up also isn't a redirect to explosion and the disambiguation page is located at blow up. I might be biased but I feel like someone looking for this gerund is likely to be interested in the mathematical topic. A blow down disambiguation exists as well, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- The average Wikipedia reader has never heard of the mathematical concept of blowing up and down, and has no reason to search for it. (And I say that as a mathematician.) So it seems reasonable to redirect "blowing up" and its variants to something like Explosion. However, I have never heard "blowing down" or its variants used in connection with explosions or implosions, so that redirect would make less sense to me. By the way, there is a Digable Planets song named "Blowing Down". Mgnbar (talk) 13:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I think "blowing up" is also wrong, since it should be a photography topic, as the primary topic. But, yes, there is also explosion. These mathematical topics will always be more obscure than the general uses found in public. And these mathematical topics are more obscure than the conventional highschool maths version of blowing up by a function tending to infinity in value; or "blowing up" by having singularities, as discussed in highschool physics. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 13:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the blow up disambig should definitely mention something like pole (complex analysis) or finite-time singularity (like the "explosion" explained at Ordinary differential equation#Global uniqueness and maximum domain of solution). Not sure again whether the ambiguity is present for the gerund in the same way, but that should probably be discussed at an WP:RM for the blowing up article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that blowing up also isn't a redirect to explosion and the disambiguation page is located at blow up. I might be biased but I feel like someone looking for this gerund is likely to be interested in the mathematical topic. A blow down disambiguation exists as well, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Smooth variety
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 21#Smooth variety
John Biden
[edit]Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 13 Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12