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Errors with "In the news"
International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israel–Hamas war figures is coming along well now with mention of the background, the 3 individuals and the reactions. It can fit on the main page more appropriately.Sportsnut24 (talk) 10:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Not done Sportsnut24, that's not an error. If you want to change the target article, that needs to be discussed and agreed at WP:ITN/C. Schwede66 18:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Errors in "Did you know ..."
- ... that according to the author of Stuff Matters, holding a sample of an aerogel is "like holding a piece of sky"? how does this pass the interesting criterion? Certainly that seems obvious, doesn't it? Therapyisgood (talk) 02:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Only if you know what aerogel is. This looks like a fine example how careful wording can grab readers' attention and maybe encourage some to click. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Feels a bit tangential to the subject; I'd suggest the reader is more likely to click through to aerogel than to Stuff Matters - Dumelow (talk) 10:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: But if the target article were made aerogel then the reference to the book, and its unusual quotation, would be out of place and I'd expect something specific about the substance. I agree that the link to aerogel may be more likely to be clicked than Stuff Matters: that's what I did, but it was the quotation which caught my eye initially. It doesn't really matter, though — I looked at an article I hadn't seen before and learnt something new. Bazza 7 (talk) 11:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I do know what aerogel is, and I found the hook interesting. It is a valid point that people might be more likely to click on aerogel than on Stuff Matters, but I don't think that rises to the level of an error. RoySmith (talk) 14:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- We couldn't bold Aerogel anyway – it doesn't currently meet the DYK criteria. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: But if the target article were made aerogel then the reference to the book, and its unusual quotation, would be out of place and I'd expect something specific about the substance. I agree that the link to aerogel may be more likely to be clicked than Stuff Matters: that's what I did, but it was the quotation which caught my eye initially. It doesn't really matter, though — I looked at an article I hadn't seen before and learnt something new. Bazza 7 (talk) 11:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Feels a bit tangential to the subject; I'd suggest the reader is more likely to click through to aerogel than to Stuff Matters - Dumelow (talk) 10:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- "that Mount Rainier cannot be seen from Panhandle Gap (pictured), despite the trail being ...". The Panhandle Gap is a col, not a trail, so what is this "the trail"? In fact it seems to be the Wonderland Trail, which leads to the Panhandle Gap. So I suggest to write "despite a trail that leads to it being ...". (Generally, it is rather unsurprising that a local peak is hidden at the point where the trail crosses a ridge, so I don't really accept the logic behind "despite", but I don't care about that.) JMCHutchinson (talk) 20:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree – the article says that
The hike along the Wonderland Trail […] to the gap has been described as "possibly the best day hike" in Mount Rainier National Park
. The source for the quote is Hiking Washington: A Guide to the State's Greatest Hiking Adventures, p. 100, at Google Books, which does say: Possibly the best day hike in Mount Rainier National Park, this section of the Wonderland Trail from Fryingpan Creek to Summerland and Panhandle Gap traverses a huge variety of terrain and ecosystems.
- but later on the page says:
At Summerland and Panhandle Gap you can bask in the presence of colossal Mount Rainier. Its sheer size is hard to comprehend until you see it up close.
- I'm not sure whether it means that you can literally see Mount Rainier from Panhandle Gap in particular, but either way it's clear that Mount Rainier is visible for a significant portion of the hike. That means "best day hike" and "can't see Mount Rainier" aren't both true of the same thing (as the original hook seems to imply). jlwoodwa (talk) 21:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree – the article says that
Errors in "On this day"
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General discussion
Main page balance
Amakuru, I had already removed items from today and tomorrow's OTD. On my wide-screen monitor, that achieved balance. Now, the right column is too short for me. I know that it's not an exact science, but were you balancing for a wide-screen monitor? Schwede66 22:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Schwede66: I'm just wondering what you're looking at? When I was balancing I was looking initially at making the top of DYK and OTD match, and with the new count I've just initiated those seem to line up at most widths when I grow and shrink the browser. For example here: [1] Ther are admittedly now some widths where the bottom of OTD is not quite matched to the bottom of DYK, so it could work to add one more item in there, but as you see in the above image it's not terrible on that score... Are you seeing something different? Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 22:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I usually have the sidebar turned on. When I turn it off (hide it), I get the same as you. I hadn't noticed that performance difference before and don't know whether it's defined anywhere how it's supposed to be. Schwede66 23:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I've had a look why toggling the tool sidebar changes the main page balance and to be honest, I don't understand what's going on. First up, I've measured how much of the screen width is given to the columns. With the tools showing, it's 55%/45% (left/right). Without the tools, it's 53%/47%. For me at least. Trying to understand why there is a difference, I've looked at the main page's CSS. Rows 75 to 89 appear to be dealing with the ratio, and it says it's 55%/45%. Hence, why does turning the tools off / hiding them change the ratio that assigns to the two columns? And Khajidha, I'm aware of your longstanding advocacy for a single-column design. That's not what this is about; I'd like to understand why the ratio changes. Once we've figured that out, we can think about stopping it from doing that. Schwede66 23:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is rather confusing - too many factors to consider when trying to achieve balance. To be honest with you, with Vector2022 I thought we'd now reached a situation where the width was more-or-less fixed whatever the width, unless you went down to a very narrow viewport. That's what we see with articles, but it doesn't seem to be the case on the main page. I guess the four-panel layout makes it more complicated. — Amakuru (talk) 23:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
News photos
Should we add Deif and Gallant to the news photos? Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 06:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Unrelated category
Why is the main page in Category:Articles containing Proto-Indo-European-language text? TheWikipedetalk 17:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Because it does - the TFA summary contains proto-Indo-European text wrapped in
{{lang|ine-x-proto}}. If that's a problem, add nocat=yes to those template calls, which would prevent the category being emitted. But why is it a problem? Modest Genius talk 17:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)